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Old 06-14-2017, 02:15 PM   #1001
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Re: Diamond in a Day - CET Total Rewards

I understand that Diad is likely -EV but I'm captivated by the idea of a challenge. I get CET comp'd rooms and use about 10-12 a year so the removal of resort fees will have some real value and hopefully 50k coin in it will keep the free rooms flowing.

Never played VP before but play NL poker so I know the intuitve plays and I am using a app trainer to see my leaks. I have no pretense that I will play 100% perfectly.

I am hoping to have Diad cost me 1k or less but I understand getting a royal/variance plays a big part.

My goal this trip in general is play a 1.5k wsop event, a 1.5k wynn summer poker event and use 2k in the pits. Alhough not ideal i could swing the bankroll up to 5k for pits/diad if necessary.

My plan is to play poker this friday and whenever I bust head to the SDDB machine in planet hollywood. This could be any tome between 8pm and 2am depending on if I day 2. It is my understanding that the "day" for diamond in a day is not midnight but early morning. Confirmation on that would be great.

I cannot/will not spend 8-12 hours on this endeavor and I understand that I need to increase my $ per pull to make that happen. As a novice I expect to be at or under 500 hands per hour. I would like to spend 2-3 hours but could likely tolerate slightly more.

With that information, and trying to keep from firing 10k bullets like Leon, does anyone have any advice on what denomination I should be playing to get this done expeditiously but not have an insane risk of ruin? I am not married to the SDDB at PH but from my research that stuck out as my best opinion. I am staying at Ceasars but would travel to any vegas CET property to accomplish my goal.

Any advice would be much appreciated.
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Old 06-14-2017, 02:45 PM   #1002
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You're most likely going to get a version of "It depends on your average bet and how long you are playing. And then the computer uses a formula I don't know."
92% likely but it doesn't cost anything to try.

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I understand that Diad is likely -EV but I'm captivated by the idea of a challenge. I get CET comp'd rooms and use about 10-12 a year so the removal of resort fees will have some real value and hopefully 50k coin in it will keep the free rooms flowing.

Never played VP before but play NL poker so I know the intuitve plays and I am using a app trainer to see my leaks. I have no pretense that I will play 100% perfectly.
Forget your poker knowledge and intuition. Just go by the odds charts.

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I am hoping to have Diad cost me 1k or less but I understand getting a royal/variance plays a big part.
Yes, you have almost no chance of making that goal without a royal.

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My goal this trip in general is play a 1.5k wsop event, a 1.5k wynn summer poker event and use 2k in the pits. Alhough not ideal i could swing the bankroll up to 5k for pits/diad if necessary.

My plan is to play poker this friday and whenever I bust head to the SDDB machine in planet hollywood. This could be any tome between 8pm and 2am depending on if I day 2. It is my understanding that the "day" for diamond in a day is not midnight but early morning. Confirmation on that would be great.
6 am to 6 am.

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I cannot/will not spend 8-12 hours on this endeavor and I understand that I need to increase my $ per pull to make that happen. As a novice I expect to be at or under 500 hands per hour. I would like to spend 2-3 hours but could likely tolerate slightly more.

With that information, and trying to keep from firing 10k bullets like Leon, does anyone have any advice on what denomination I should be playing to get this done expeditiously but not have an insane risk of ruin? I am not married to the SDDB at PH but from my research that stuck out as my best opinion. I am staying at Ceasars but would travel to any vegas CET property to accomplish my goal.

Any advice would be much appreciated.
The less time you spend, the fewer hands you play, the greater the variance. Time is money, and you will pay for saving that time. Put simply, without a royal you have almost no chance to get it for $1k. With a royal, you still might end up in the red. Don't forget the tax man, a 1099 comes as a free bonus with every royal.

If your primary goal is to save $400 a year on resort fees, you should reconsider.
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Old 06-14-2017, 03:44 PM   #1003
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My plan is to play poker this friday and whenever I bust head to the SDDB machine in planet hollywood.

I cannot/will not spend 8-12 hours on this endeavor and I understand that I need to increase my $ per pull to make that happen. As a novice I expect to be at or under 500 hands per hour. I would like to spend 2-3 hours but could likely tolerate slightly more.
why 98.61% SDDB?

as mentioned many times in this thread, the optimum machine for DiaD in Vegas is the double super times pay (dstp) version of 9/5 Jacks of Better machine at planet Hollywood high limit room. it's 99% return.

you can do $1 or $2 denominations, and 3/5/10 play.
$1 5play = $35 a spin. at 500 hands per hr, you'll make diad in 3hrs.
$2 3 play = $42/spin and 2 1/2 hrs for diad.

Jacks or Better strategy is easier than sddb.
and you don't deviate from the strategy if choosing the dstp version.

even though the rio has 8/5 Bp for 99.17%, it's only single line and $1 denomination.
it'll take you 16hrs on that for diad!
thus why the dstp (9/5 JoB) is optimum for diad in Vegas.

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Old 06-14-2017, 04:44 PM   #1004
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Thank you pig4bill and AAsuited for your help. I have actually read the whole thread but I went to the vpfree2 and the vp machines they had for PH didnt correspond (at least as far as I could tell) and thus the confusion.

I will probably stick to the $1 5 play to as the lower variance between two higher variance propositions.
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Old 06-14-2017, 05:55 PM   #1005
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Thank you pig4bill and AAsuited for your help. I have actually read the whole thread but I went to the vpfree2 and the vp machines they had for PH didnt correspond (at least as far as I could tell) and thus the confusion.

I will probably stick to the $1 5 play to as the lower variance between two higher variance propositions.
http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/planet...sino-las-vegas

yeah, its not obvious.
under 9/5 JoB, you see the 'STP' tag.
it's actually dstp and adds +.5% to the return thus 99%.

for $5 sddb, you will get a w2-g tax form for every quad and above.
you average a quad or above every 700 hands or so.
for Diad, you're going to avg 3 w2-g at this denomination.

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nevermind. mis-read. thought u said $5 1 play.

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Old 06-14-2017, 08:36 PM   #1006
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I can get people to platinum pretty easily within a few days and then you can tier match to diamond. Taking offers.
What do you mean by tier match from platinum to diamond?

I should hit diamond this week ( 700 more Tiers) but am curious as to what you mean and if I somehow missed out on some super easy loophole to get diamond.
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Old 06-15-2017, 04:04 AM   #1007
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If you do all of your play at Planet Hollywood then will the offers you receive be primarily Planet Hollywood? If I'm more interested in offers from Caesars then should I concentrate my play there?
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Old 06-15-2017, 04:52 AM   #1008
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In my experience, admittedly am a low roller, they seem to assign a dollar value to your comp status. Then when you look up room availability for a given day you might have Flamingo and Harrah's rooms fully comped, Bally's and Rio $25 a night, PHo and Paris $50 a night, and Caesars and Cromwell $150 a night. It might be different for a mid or high roller.
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Old 06-16-2017, 12:42 AM   #1009
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If you do all of your play at Planet Hollywood then will the offers you receive be primarily Planet Hollywood? If I'm more interested in offers from Caesars then should I concentrate my play there?
You'll get offers for all properties, but comps for the better hotels won't be as good.

I'm a Diamond member and here's a recent offer for July:

"Enjoy 3 free nts @ Caesars OR 4 free nts @ Planet Hollywood, The LINQ, or Paris OR 5 free nts @ Flamingo, Bally's, Harrah's or Rio! Valid 07/01/17-07/31/17"

Depending on your play, your host can do even better. On my last visit most of my gambling was done at Caesars, Harrah's and The Flamingo but for my upcoming trip I have a comped stay at The Linq .
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:07 AM   #1010
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I almost never get specific offers like that, and never for Caesars. I a low roller.
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Old 06-16-2017, 03:30 AM   #1011
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I almost never get specific offers like that, and never for Caesars. I a low roller.

I'm a low roller and I definitely get offers like this. "Enjoy 3 free nights at Rio OR discounted rates at caesars". It has nothing to do with where you gamble, all about what tier of hotel they're willing to hook you up with.
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:46 PM   #1012
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someone mentioned status matching... the wife will be chairman at stations i nlike 2 weeks... Do you know if you get the 100$ diamond celebration dinner on a tier match?
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Old 06-16-2017, 04:49 PM   #1013
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I can get people to platinum pretty easily within a few days and then you can tier match to diamond. Taking offers.
Please explain. If it's under the table, please PM. Thanks!

I have diamond but want it for my GF so we can each take 1 person into the lounges. We have friends visiting often so we always need to bring in 2+ people.
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Old 06-16-2017, 04:50 PM   #1014
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someone mentioned status matching... the wife will be chairman at stations i nlike 2 weeks... Do you know if you get the 100$ diamond celebration dinner on a tier match?
Does anyone in town still tier match? I have diamond and have tier matched to Cosmo (nothing valuable) and also to Palms (light perks, mainly skipping lines) which later changed to Stations.
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Old 06-16-2017, 05:02 PM   #1015
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Please explain. If it's under the table, please PM. Thanks!

I have diamond but want it for my GF so we can each take 1 person into the lounges. We have friends visiting often so we always need to bring in 2+ people.
Also interested in this. Wife and I are both platinum but looking to get to diamond. Please pm me with details. Thanks!
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Old 06-17-2017, 04:05 AM   #1016
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Does anyone in town still tier match? I have diamond and have tier matched to Cosmo (nothing valuable) and also to Palms (light perks, mainly skipping lines) which later changed to Stations.
How recently did you tier match with Cosmo? I would be interested in that.

I recently read that if you have status with Hyatt then you can tier match with MGM.
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Old 06-20-2017, 07:10 PM   #1017
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someone mentioned status matching... the wife will be chairman at stations i nlike 2 weeks... Do you know if you get the 100$ diamond celebration dinner on a tier match?
You do get the celebration dinner with the tier match. I had a black card from the Borgata and got my diamond card from CET in May, shortly after they began doing the tier match and I got the dinner.

Unrelated: I'm currently staying at the Rio. I know of a VP machine (through dandruff's website) that is 99.11% return here at the Rio and reasonably low variance. I have never played casino games or slots (only poker) so my room rates are not very good. Could it be possible that playing that machine several hours while I'm here could be +EV, just based on the room rates I could be offered in the future through CET? I have been playing poker at CET properties but that only seems to generate weekday rates between $30 (Harrahs) and $180 (Nobu). Any idea?

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Old 06-20-2017, 07:27 PM   #1018
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I'm currently staying at the Rio. I know of a VP machine (through dandruff's website) that is 99.11% return here at the Rio and reasonably low variance. I have never played casino games or slots (only poker) so my room rates are not very good. Could it be possible that playing that machine several hours while I'm here could be +EV, just based on the room rates I could be offered in the future through CET? I have been playing poker at CET properties but that only seems to generate weekday rates between $30 (Harrahs) and $180 (Nobu). Any idea?
why 9/7 db?
8/5 bp is 99.17% and has lower variance.

play 8hrs to get 2500 tier credits in a day and get the 5k bonus tc.
that *should* get you a host in a few weeks and free room offers in a couple of months.

in the meantime, before you check out for this trip, visit the host on duty and ask him/her if they can do something with your room bill.
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Old 06-20-2017, 11:37 PM   #1019
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why 9/7 db?
8/5 bp is 99.17% and has lower variance.

play 8hrs to get 2500 tier credits in a day and get the 5k bonus tc.
that *should* get you a host in a few weeks and free room offers in a couple of months.

in the meantime, before you check out for this trip, visit the host on duty and ask him/her if they can do something with your room bill.
Unlikely to get him a host. I've gotten 2500tc in a day more than once and never had a host. Free weekend days are still very rare. His problem is going to be that he's spending several days. If he was there only a day then his average daily would look good, but they're going to divide up that action among all days to get an average.
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Unlikely to get him a host. I've gotten 2500tc in a day more than once and never had a host. Free weekend days are still very rare. His problem is going to be that he's spending several days. If he was there only a day then his average daily would look good, but they're going to divide up that action among all days to get an average.
Ive played two 2500tc days at planet Hollywood at the recommended 99% dstp (9/5 JoB) machine.
got a host.

since rio is considered a 'lower' caesars property, I thought a single 2500tc day would do it?
*shrug*
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Old 06-21-2017, 10:56 AM   #1021
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I am thinking of going for the quest for rewards promotion which seems like the smallest -ev way for me to hit diamond this year. (Have 10 credits, so

I'm a total table games newbie having played a blackjack less than 10 times in my life and craps exactly once. What would be the best (not necessarily lowest -ev but also lowish variance) way of earning the 25 tier credits I need per property.

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Old 06-21-2017, 01:26 PM   #1022
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Ive played two 2500tc days at planet Hollywood at the recommended 99% dstp (9/5 JoB) machine.
got a host.

since rio is considered a 'lower' caesars property, I thought a single 2500tc day would do it?
*shrug*
There are a couple reasons I can think of.
1. Total Rewards has never like me anyway. Prior to dumping thousands of dollars into vp machines they never comped me anything.
2. It's the average daily thing again. Even on the trips I did 2500tc it was part of a 2 or 3 day trip. The best way to do it is stay at a non-CET place and just come in to play vp and leave no evidence on other days that you were in a CET place. No poker, no eating, etc.

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I am thinking of going for the quest for rewards promotion which seems like the smallest -ev way for me to hit diamond this year. (Have 10 credits, so

I'm a total table games newbie having played a blackjack less than 10 times in my life and craps exactly once. What would be the best (not necessarily lowest -ev but also lowish variance) way of earning the 25 tier credits I need per property.

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Read earlier in the thread, it was discussed.
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Old 06-21-2017, 11:18 PM   #1023
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why 9/7 db?
8/5 bp is 99.17% and has lower variance.

play 8hrs to get 2500 tier credits in a day and get the 5k bonus tc.
that *should* get you a host in a few weeks and free room offers in a couple of months.

in the meantime, before you check out for this trip, visit the host on duty and ask him/her if they can do something with your room bill.
I appreciate the info. I looked for the supposed 9/7 machines in front of the sports bar and couldn't find them. Perhaps I will try these 8/5 BP machines if I can find them, but I've just never gambled before and I'm not entirely sure this endeavor is +EV, so I'm a bit apprehensive.
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It's probably not +ev. Why are you doing it? You're already Diamond. What are you hoping to get out of it?
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Old 06-22-2017, 12:53 AM   #1025
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It's probably not +ev. Why are you doing it? You're already Diamond. What are you hoping to get out of it?
The rationale was/is that I would get much better offers for rooms (like actual comped rooms) instead of prices ranging from 30+ per night at CET properties. Improved CET property room rates would have a lot of value to me in both LV and Atlantic City. If I coined in 50K and only lost 415 dollars, but that led to me getting 3-4 nights comped at CET properties in Vegas or AC for any sort of sustained period of time, then that would be worth it to me. If I coined in 50K, didn't hit a royal and lost anywhere from 1500-2K and only got 1-2 nights comped offered for like a month or two (or just one time only, after they realized I don't actually gamble at all), then it is not worth it. I understand what you're saying and I tend to err on the side of caution (in this case, your side), but I do have a certain curiosity as to whether I'm missing out on value. I appreciate your insight, regardless.
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