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06-13-2012, 02:47 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: LV, UT, $$
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Re: cushlash in Vegas; TLDR
Def check back aces full there Ainec
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06-13-2012, 04:38 PM
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adept
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 771
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Re: cushlash in Vegas; TLDR
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Originally Posted by bubonicplay
Def check back aces full there Ainec
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Yea I sorta thought that. I've been in this spot plenty of times before and I would almost always check it back but then when I bet the turn they'd always fold. If it was a bad player I might check back because they might actually put me on something other than AA** if I do, but this guy seemed to be a thinking player so I didn't think he'd be fooled if I checked back.
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06-13-2012, 05:53 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: LV, UT, $$
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Re: cushlash in Vegas; TLDR
yeah but thier calling range is soo narrow so you have to give them a chance to catch up/ bluff.
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06-14-2012, 07:25 AM
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stranger
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Illinois
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Re: cushlash in Vegas; TLDR
Keep it up Kid. Thanks again for helping me out yesterday.
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Originally Posted by cushlash
Took Sunday and Monday off from poker to get some random things done. Got back to the table yesterday around 7. Would have been earlier but the guy that came to look at my TV (refresh rate was lagging) didn't get here until 4. Then I had to go to the cable company to swap out my box because that was the problem.
Anyway ended up at the Aria. Got there just before 7 and was 2nd on the list for 1/3 PLO. Got my seat at exactly 7. Things were pretty slow for a while and I basically stayed even for the first hour. This one guy was talking non-stop and seriously would not shut up. Unfortunately I was sitting next to him so he kept asking me questions and I tried to be nice but I really wanted him to stop so I could focus. He got moved to the main game after a while so it was all good. Again not much happened and I just hovered around even until I got moved to the main game at about the 2 hour mark.
At the main game the guy who was talking a lot was also drinking a lot, so I was glad to be at his table, but also glad to be on the other side of the table. Won a decent pot right away where I re-re-raised (this is called a 4-bet) preflop with A  A  Q  6  . The 3-better called and we saw a flop of A77. He checked to me and I pushed all in for just under the size of the pot. He thought for a minute or so and folded. I thought about checking back here because he should know I have aces because there aren't many other hands I would 4-bet with preflop. However I don't think I get action unless he has a 7 and hits quads so I didn't want to give him a free chance at a one-outer and decided to shove and maybe get him to call with a 7.
Over the next hour or so my stack was whittled back down to where I started. About half hour before I left I ended up flopping top two pair on a KQ6 board. The pot was 4 ways and the drunk guy who had raised pre-flop bet the pot, the next player called, and I pushed all-in. The guy to my left called all-in for less than what I had and to my surprise both the other players folded. I ran it twice against the all-in guy's nut flush draw and gutshot straight draw. I won both and ended my session about half an hour later with a decent profit, basically all from that one hand.
Planning to either hit the Rio for a satellite depending on how many people they get or just play cash at Aria again. Thanks for reading!
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06-14-2012, 02:24 PM
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adept
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 771
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Re: cushlash in Vegas; TLDR
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Originally Posted by tyakes
Keep it up Kid. Thanks again for helping me out yesterday.
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Thanks, no problem.
Got to the Rio around 4 yesterday with the plan of seeing how many the mega satellite would get and possibly playing it. I was disappointed when it only had 21 entrants at the start. Thought late registration is until 6, with 21 to start it still only got around 60 and I'd like to see it get at least 105 (this would mean top 3 would get a seat) before I play it again. I'm hoping it will pick up as the main event gets closer but I think the $235 2pm deepstack tournament is taking away a lot of potential players for this tournament. Until it starts getting busier I'm going to stick to cash games or maybe play the 2pm every once in a while since its been getting over 1,000 players consistently.
Since I was at the Rio I decided to check out the 1-2 PLO instead of going to Venetian or Aria. There were 2 tables that both looked pretty good so I got on the list and about 20 minutes later had a seat. I played for just over 3 hours before heading to dinner, during which I ran pretty hot. I got A  A  J  9  all in pre-flop 3 ways and unfortunately another player had the other two aces in his hand. Although he had AA34 and I was ahead of him, this gives the 3rd player a much better chance than if he was just against one AA hand. I ended up making a straight with my J9 side cards and scooped the whole pot.
I then got some food and came back to play another session. The second session was the exact opposite of the first. Played another 2 hours and didn't win a single pot. I like how I played, just didn't go right for me. I guess I was fortunate that I never got in any big pots, so I didn't lose any big all-in confrontations or anything, just $20 here and $20 there.
Today I'll most likely head to Venetian or Aria and play there. I don't really plan to play cash at Rio much, unless its before or after a tournament. On top of the dealers being much worse, the chairs are horribly uncomfortable, which is an often overlooked factor when playing live poker.
I've also been back on my work out schedule this week, so as long as I keep that up it should help me to play longer sessions.
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06-14-2012, 03:53 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Re: cushlash in Vegas; TLDR
the hearts are worrisome for sure, and I am sure you are probably up against it with that repot. HOWEVER, with only 250'ish behind I think I might be calling here.
I might have checked that flop with no heart in my hand.
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06-15-2012, 02:10 PM
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adept
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 771
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Re: cushlash in Vegas; TLDR
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Originally Posted by MSchu18
the hearts are worrisome for sure, and I am sure you are probably up against it with that repot. HOWEVER, with only 250'ish behind I think I might be calling here.
I might have checked that flop with no heart in my hand.
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Yea, my feeling after the hand was that I should have called once I lead out, but that the best play was to check. Of course I folded and the re-potter took it down.
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06-15-2012, 02:34 PM
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adept
Join Date: Apr 2009
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Re: cushlash in Vegas; TLDR
Started my day at the Aria yesterday. The list was fairly long for 1/3 PLO so I played about an hour of 2/5 nl while I waited. The table was pretty good but I really didn't get into many hands during the hour. I lost one hand where I made a hero call (this means calling with a hand that can only be good if the player that is betting is bluffing) with pocket 5's. Unfortunately my opponent had turned 3rd pair of 8's into a bluff and took down the pot.
When my name got called for the 1/3 PLO I headed right over there. Pretty much just hung around my starting stack for an hour and half and then lost to a woman who called pot sized bets on the flop and turn with the nut flush draw. It got there on the river and I had the second nut flush so I called off the rest of her stack on the river. There are times when the second nut flush should fold on the river but I was getting over 5-1 on a call so I don't think folding would have been correct.
Instead of re-buying I decided to take a break for dinner. Checked my phone and noticed that the Venetian was running a 1-2 PLO8 game. I decided to head over there for dinner and then play that game. PLO8, or PLO hi/lo 8 or better is a game played similar to PLO but instead of the pot going to the best poker hand, it is split between the best "hi" hand and the best "lo" hand. The "hi" hand is just like regular poker, but the "lo" side goes to the player with the best lo hand which is made by having 5 unpaired cards 8 or below. Therefore, the best lo hand is 5432A. If no player has a lo then the whole pot goes to the best hi hand.
When I got to the Venetian there was only one seat left so I decided to lock it up and then order dinner from the table, something I'm not usually a big fan of. The game was really good in the beginning because a few people at the table just didn't know how hi/lo works and were making lots of mistakes. Often people would put in huge amounts of money when they only had a chance at half the pot, whereas the goal is to scoop the whole pot. Unfortunately I got quartered twice (this means I lost the hi half and tied for the lo half so I only got a quarter of the pot) and about 2 hours after I sat down most of the bad players were gone and there wasn't much money to be made. Around 11:30 I left after 3 hours in the game down a little from the pots I got quartered in.
Today I'm going to change things up and play that 2pm deep stack event at the Rio. Last night it got 1299 entrants and I've heard it attracts a ton of bad players. Though I'd prefer to play satellites, with the number and quality of entrants the 2pm has been getting I can't justify playing a satellite with 50 players with this tournament running next to it. Its a really long tournament, running until 5 am or later, so if all goes well I won't be playing cash on the days I play this tourney.
Thanks for reading!
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06-16-2012, 03:17 PM
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#55
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adept
Join Date: Apr 2009
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Re: cushlash in Vegas; TLDR
I arrived at the Rio a bit after 2 to play the 2pm deep stack tourney. Registration is kept open until after 4 levels (2 hours) so it wasn't a big deal to be a little late. However, there was a line probably 100 people long waiting to register for just that tournament. After about 40 minutes in line I was finally able to register.
Got my seat just before the second level was ending. For the next hour not much happened and I went into the first break with just over starting stack of 15k. A bit after the break I got moved to a different table and within a few hands got KK all in pre-flop against AQ. No ace came and I doubled up.
The payouts were announced around this time also since they needed to wait for all late registers to get in. 1st would be just over 52k, 2nd 32k, 3rd 20k, 4th 14k, 5th 10k, and going down quickly from there. My goal was top 5 so I could play the main event.
I was moving right along, stealing blinds and antes with my tight image and chipping up without seeing many flops. Eventually though, the stacks became so short that it was pretty much a pre-flop all in affair. People were getting desperate and so I was getting called on my blind steals more often. The cards were on my side as I won a few flips and even one hand where I was behind.
The money bubble busted around 10:30. With 144 left everyone was getting paid, although the cashes were pretty small until the final 20 or so places. With about 80 players left I shoved my 6 big blind stack all-in preflop with A2 and got called by KK. It was not to be and I was knocked out in 76th place, cashing for 621. Though I would have liked to go farther, I am happy with how I played the tournament and will definitely be playing it more often.
Today the plan is to play the 2pm again and if I bust early enough to get a cash game session in, head over to the Venetian for the PLO hi/lo games that have been going the past few days, though hopefully that won't happen.
Thanks for reading!
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06-16-2012, 09:57 PM
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adept
Join Date: Apr 2009
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Re: cushlash in Vegas; TLDR
Pretty frustrated right now. Ran a little late so I knew I wouldn't make it in time for the tourney and I didn't want to register past the second level since the blinds would be higher. I decided to go to the Venetian for the hi/lo game. The place was packed and there was a 1/2 PLO and a 1/2 PLO hi/lo going, both with lists of over 10. I got my name on expecting a game to be called soon. They called the 1/2 PLO but only like 3 showed up. Then they called the 1/2 hi/lo instead, same thing happened. Then I was 1st on the list for both games for about 45 minutes and no one left either game except I think one person left the PLO game but someone behind me on the list snuck in without permission from the floor staff. I got frustrated and left to go play at the Rio.
Got there and was something like 15th on the list for PLO. Every list for every game was like this and they couldn't open any more tables because of lack of dealers so I would have to wait it out. After about half an hour and no progress I decided to just go home and take today off and play tomorrow even though I was gonna take tomorrow off. It's probably a blessing in disguise because for some reason I was just frustrated and impatient and in no mood to play.
It brings up an important point that I haven't talked about yet. Being focused, calm, and just generally ready to play is extremely important in professional poker. It might be more important than the actual knowledge of playing cards. With poker I can't just show up and get paid no matter what. If I am not playing my A game my earnings will suffer. So even though I'm a bit frustrated today, I feel good knowing that I was able to sense that I wasn't in the right state to play, and then actually act on it and go home. If I can do that consistently, I feel like it will save me a lot of money compared to if I just played anyway.
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06-16-2012, 10:34 PM
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The Situation
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 4,775
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Re: cushlash in Vegas; TLDR
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Originally Posted by cushlash
Pretty frustrated right now. Ran a little late so I knew I wouldn't make it in time for the tourney and I didn't want to register past the second level since the blinds would be higher. I decided to go to the Venetian for the hi/lo game. The place was packed and there was a 1/2 PLO and a 1/2 PLO hi/lo going, both with lists of over 10. I got my name on expecting a game to be called soon. They called the 1/2 PLO but only like 3 showed up. Then they called the 1/2 hi/lo instead, same thing happened. Then I was 1st on the list for both games for about 45 minutes and no one left either game except I think one person left the PLO game but someone behind me on the list snuck in without permission from the floor staff. I got frustrated and left to go play at the Rio.
Got there and was something like 15th on the list for PLO. Every list for every game was like this and they couldn't open any more tables because of lack of dealers so I would have to wait it out. After about half an hour and no progress I decided to just go home and take today off and play tomorrow even though I was gonna take tomorrow off. It's probably a blessing in disguise because for some reason I was just frustrated and impatient and in no mood to play.
It brings up an important point that I haven't talked about yet. Being focused, calm, and just generally ready to play is extremely important in professional poker. It might be more important than the actual knowledge of playing cards. With poker I can't just show up and get paid no matter what. If I am not playing my A game my earnings will suffer. So even though I'm a bit frustrated today, I feel good knowing that I was able to sense that I wasn't in the right state to play, and then actually act on it and go home. If I can do that consistently, I feel like it will save me a lot of money compared to if I just played anyway.
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i actually like it when there's a wait list when i get to the room. if i can't wait the 5-10 minutes to get a seat, what's going to happen when i sit down and get 72o for 20 minutes? if you're not patient enough to wait out the list, go home. the room will be there tomorrow. the game will be there every day for the rest of our lives.
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06-17-2012, 09:02 PM
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adept
Join Date: Apr 2009
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Re: cushlash in Vegas; TLDR
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Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb
if you're not patient enough to wait out the list, go home. the room will be there tomorrow. the game will be there every day for the rest of our lives.
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My thoughts exactly.
Short update today. Went and played the 2pm deepstack again. I got short stacked really early mostly because of one hand where I paid off a bet on the river when a guy who was drawing to a straight ended up making top pair on the river. Shortly after the first break I shoved my last 6k in chips in after a raise to 1100 and 3 calls with K  T  . I really expected everyone to fold, which would have nearly doubled me up, but got called by A  3  and an ace flopped and I was out.
I don't hate how I played the tournament but it definitely wasn't my best poker so I decided to pack it up and go home. Tomorrow is my off day and then I'm gonna hit it hard next week. Not sure why but my head just hasn't been in the game the last couple days. Hopefully a true day off will help me re-focus.
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06-19-2012, 07:46 AM
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#59
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centurion
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 105
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Keep going. Was going to ask whether you were up or down but then I realised you probably wouldn't answer.
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06-20-2012, 02:05 AM
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adept
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 771
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Re: cushlash in Vegas; TLDR
Did a little bit of everything today. First went to the Rio for the 2pm deep stack tourney again. After getting short stacked early I doubled up with KK all in pre-flop against KQ to get back to starting chips. About 2 hands later I get dealt AA in the big blind. This asian dude who had been playing really loose and aggressive made it 1100. Blinds were at 150-300. Another pretty loose/aggressive Asian guy called behind him. I made it 3400 from the blind and both guys called. The flop came down 776 and I shoved all in for about 9k and the first guy calls and second folds. He flips over 73 and the board ran blank for me and I was out. I'm still laughing at how he calls my 3 bet with 73 but nothing I can do.
Headed to the Venetian after and got on the PLO list but it was long-ish so I also got on the 2/5 NLHE list. I got a seat at 2/5 after a few minutes. Played that for an uneventful 1.5 hours until I got called for the PLO. Then I played the PLO for 1.5 hours and won a grand total of 0 pots. The game was pretty good but I just wasn't getting hands. Next they called a 1/2 PLO hi/lo game and so I decided to switch to that. I think in hindsight I should not have switched since the hi/lo game was pretty tight and there wasn't a lot of money being passed around. I played that for about 2 1/2 hours for a small profit and ended my day.
Total I played 7 hours today in 4 different forms of poker. Definitely not a typical day. Thanks for reading!
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