**NEGATIVE Feedback Thread (for Marketplace and all Subforums)**

[Bren]

Excuse the double post tilt but to clarify why I'm mad:

We could've gone along with the guy and maybe seen some $$ back. We basically lost money adhering to stars TOS, or at least taking steps to ensure that our stakee did.

Would a ZOO thread help at all? I can take a bit of abuse if it helps the community/clarifies Stars stance on this.

Like to hear everyone's thoughts on the issue, or possible explanations.

[apefish]

To be blunt, Stars basically never cares/gets involved in staking disputes regardless of how ironclad something looks. Their answer will be something along the lines of they can only take action if play on the table is fraudulent or to reclaim fraudulent deposits they have to cover.
Their transfer feature is only in place to generate rake.

[bdc30]

Though I see what you're saying Apefish, stars support has taken action in the past against people reported to them for scamming, as seen in this thread, so it's at least worth trying.

[apefish]

well that's strange because it's the only time I've heard of something like that happening at Stars.

Bren you may want to point Stars to that instance and ask what was different in that case.

[Bren]

Originally Posted by bdc30

Though I see what you're saying Apefish, stars support has taken action in the past against people reported to them for scamming, as seen in this thread, so it's at least worth trying.

Thanks for the link, I've emailed stars again with my concerns so I guess we'll see what happens.

[CBorders]

Bought a lot of books on 07/09/2009 from IOwnlyPlayAtStars. He said he would ship them that day, and supposedly did. I received a screenshot containing USPS shipping data (the screenshot and the link to it have now expired) along with a message to one of the mods about the shipment being lost by USPS (I requested a week long temp ban at the time and he panicked about it).

He said he'd talk to his friend at the post office about it, and evidently they said the shipping info said "Processed" and the folks at the PO had had thought "it's an Atlanta based code" in spite of the tracking data saying it was processed in Ohio but nothing else.

I messaged him in December but received no response, and he has been on the forum recently.

I'd consider him shady until proven otherwise.

[faarcyde]

Alright so my experience with Carlos Alberto Santiago / Theyaremine (Pokerstars). Started a stable a few months back and he was one of our lower risk horses so I didn't check into his history much (mistake obviously). He had played a bazillion micro stake DONs and we signed him up to play $20 DONs on Stars.

During a two month period he played 174 games despite a strict 750 game/month minimum we had made clear in the contract. After the first month of no volume I asked him what the deal was and he made up some excuses. Whatever he seemed like a nice guy and I gave him another month. Same thing. I decided to cut off the stake. My partner was the one who talked to him to ask him for the money back and end the stake. He was very resistant and finally said he would send back the money ($1,000). He never did. At this point I started doing some research and realized he had been banned on a couple of staking web sites and had received poor feedback in this very thread. I started getting suspicious but wasn't too concerned because he had been sending me screenshots of his cashier and I was 95 percent sure he still had the money. Anyway he ceased communication for a few days despite some emails and then I decided to expedite the process and start a web site about his indiscretions with a picture of him on there. Next day I get insta messaged when I sign on. He is upset because I said in one of my follow up emails we would extend the stake (this was only a ploy to make sure he didn't run off with the money and hopefully we could get it back somehow at a later date). When I told him to give the money back he was still resistant but eventually we agreed he would send back $500 and then grind the rest of the month to try and build a roll for himself.

A couple weeks later he messages me and says he is down some money while grinding and offers a proposition I gave a long time ago, sending $800 (total) and being done with it. At that point I wanted to wash our hands clean of this guy who is, if not a scammer clearly an untrustworthy person and a huge pain in the ass. I am 99 percent certain he is posting on 2+2 under the alias arcticmonkey (theyaremine was banned back in March of 2009). It looks like he is staying clear of the staking forum though.

TL;DR - Carlos Alberto Santiago / Theyaremine (Stars) is not someone you want to stake or do business with.

[LOLDONKBETZ]

hey if you ever need someone to look into possible stakees to see if they have bad rep elsewhere, shoot me a PM i love googletarding these guys, and i love this thread

[apefish]

faarcyde- saying theyaremine was banned back in March of last year yet you staked him a few months back leads me to believe you were in contact with him here under a different name. was that in fact arcticmonkey or was all of the contact offsite via email?

[faarcyde]

Originally Posted by apefish

faarcyde- saying theyaremine was banned back in March of last year yet you staked him a few months back leads me to believe you were in contact with him here under a different name. was that in fact arcticmonkey or was all of the contact offsite via email?

he emailed our staking address and then i contacted him via skype (his skype name was arcticmonkey with some numbers after it). i noticed the new name while browsing the STT forums and seeing the name arcticmonkey post some strategy threads for DONs (which is what we staked him for).

[apefish]

Thanks. Taken care of. If anyone spots a likely match to him again let us know.

[Rusemandingo]

Originally Posted by Rusemandingo

2p2 pwnsauc3
stars pwns@uc3
FT xxthegoatxx

Finished a stake and instead of sending me my money back, he got drunk and lost it all. Apologized after I confronted him and said hed pay it back somehow. That was a month ago and now hes ignoring me. Only like 80 bucks but it was my first taste of staking. Dudes name is Cole and he goes to WVU. If anyone knows this guy or has info on him I'd appreciate it, If not, just look out for him.

Update: Dude hasn't been active on 2p2 or stars, but he has started to play on tilt again under xxthegoatxx. Actually had a couple hundred dollar score on there the other week. Watch out for him and if you see him at the tables tell him he's a scamming scumbag. Thx.

[apefish]

Banned his account here. He'd been inactive for so long and you had posted several times about it so he had ample opportunity to resolve it.

[Rusemandingo]

Originally Posted by apefish

Banned his account here. He'd been inactive for so long and you had posted several times about it so he had ample opportunity to resolve it.

Appreciate it. Yeah he had every chance to make good and never did. Don't think I'm getting anything back, just figured the more times his Tilt sn showed up, the easier it'd be for someone else to find it in a search and not get scammed.

[tehchipdonk]

bought 4000 FTPs off EdmontonRounder, fast transaction, awesome communication, great guy to work with!!