I guess it was only a matter of time before the car analogies started...

what the **** is this

What Dorkus? You know what Stox is doing in this thread? They are negotiaing. I'm just telling the guy he has options. He has provable damages due to Stox pokers negligence in my opinion. Nothing wrong to get a second opinion from an attorney.

Genuine Q: Is Stox requiring anyone who wants to apply / receive a Jason Ho-related refund to sign a release, disclaiming any future claim against the company related to this matter? IMO that would be:

a) a pretty wise move for Stox, considering respondeat superior, although i'm guessing their coaches are closer to independent contractors than employees, so RS may be moot, and

b) something that, as a refund-ee, I wouldn't sign

IMO it's debatable whether stox should refund the staking scam committed by their employee. It's a gray area. What isn't a gray area is the coaching. All coaching fees should be refunded. This guy was promoted as a stoxpoker coach and had numerous references from other high-ups in stoxpoker. How is some low-level grinder supposed to figure out that he is FoS when the way these scams work is that if the person does well they think 'it must be from the coaching' and if he they don't do well they say 'im mustn't be following my coaches advice properly'. That's how Jason Ho was able to string them along for so long. They were completely under the impression that Jason Ho was the player stoxpoker had promoted him as.

Jason Ho was still a stoxpoker endorsed coach when these people booked their 6th, 7th, 8th and so on... coaching sessions. Stox's attitude seems to be 'well they should've figured out after 3 coaching sessions that Jason Ho was useless at poker so we are only going to refund coaching fees up to that point'.

If stox hadn't employed this scammer none of this would've happened. If I was scammed by a someone working in a bank, the bank would not say 'we are refunding the money you were scammed out of in the first 21 days' - they'd refund the whole frigging lot. The same with any other industry - if an employee of a company commits fraud on clients of that company the company fully compensates the clients who were scammed. That's how things work in the real world. I don't know why some people are applauding stoxpoker for their handling of this situation - the way they have handled it is (imo less than) the bare minimum you would expect from a reputable company. It just goes to show how low expectations of decency are in the poker world when some people think this was handled very well.

This

Without Stox Jason Ho couldnt scam anyone.

THIS

Its important that you do this, whether anything comes of it or not.

Where is the justification for not refunding every penny spent on coaching regardless of payment/session plans? I don't get it. Customers being naive or gullible is not a good excuse.

Why wouldn't you just pay these guys back for every penny they dropped on coaching and throw the law at this Jason Ho character? There has to be a way for you to go after him. He committed fraud from within your company. Yes, he is already bankrupt but this sob deserves to have the book thrown at him. One way or another you'll get your money back.

I don't understand how this wasn't an obvious solution from the beginning. As it stands now, he basically got away with it & you're pitching the "partial" bill. Why would you do this to your customers and then yourselves?

It's THE POLICY Dorkfish.

oh, my mistake.

Oh god- can't believe I've read most of this, but then again I like big messy wreck.

Fyi, this is a true story from MY personal experience, i only talked to him on MSN to see what he was doin nowadays, he had no idea it was me, trust me i still hate him with a passion for doin what he did to me, what i meant by nobody listened is because the Admins at the time were absolutely hopeless, they never did a thing never replied to anybodys support tickets.

Just because i had a dispute with another leader called "TheGrimReaper" about how i didnt get the Plate i was promised from a god on the game called Zertan, he told jason, the next day i wake up with everything gone.

this just sounds too nerdy not to be true

lol yeah.

so items in this game were seriously worth money? wow lol

I would question how much stox should be held accountable for Jason's private lessons and coaching camps etc.

Say an English teacher picks up some private lessons because of his reputation at the school he works. If he then performs poorly in these lessons for whatever reason, you cannot hold the school accountable.

It really depends how much stox promoted the private coaching from their site. From my understanding their core business is producing video content. Jasons were generally ranked in the high 4.x out of 5, so it would seem everyone was pretty happy with the job he was doing there.

He was also only promoted as a low stakes coach. So if you went after stox you would have to show that his advice was abysmal for these games. This would be hard to prove (quite a few were happy with his coaching as well from my understanding.)

I don't see why that should be hard to believe. Buying and selling items/gold for mmorpgs is very common.

eh yeah i guess, but i think its crazy that ppl would buy thousands worth of gear for a video game. w/e

I think Jason ho is Korean

Haha well... The market on this game is most likely 1 of the biggest out of the MMORPG scene, Its a black market, you buy points on the game 100 points = $5, there are now 6 servers, Sigil(Original),Torax, Fabar, Zimbob, Rancid, Quiver. I had a top 10 character on every server before i quit 1 year ago.

Anyways i was Leader of the best crew on Rancid + Zimbob, so i was in a good spot lol, i had access to the vault, could take any item i liked, our vault on Rancid had around $10,000 worth of items in it, for instance when Jason Ho stole my items, my blade which was called the (Keen Edge Blade) was worth 13,500 points which was worth about $700, i made around $9,500 in 5 years playing this game from selling items/accounts, when he stole my items the rarity, item value and the want for items was at its peak!!!

Back near the start i spent $50 got a high lvl account on Sigil, did it up for 2months and sold it for $800, i could ramble on about Outwar for days haha but ill leave it at that, Jason Ho is a Crook!

hes not.

It is - but people really get into these games. Every popular mmorpg have gold farmers whose jobs it is to just make tons of in-game money/gold to sell.

There are also companies which will level up the characters for you and get stuff for them (so you are paying them to play the game for you).

People have even been murdered in real life for "stealing" items in these games.

True facts right there, and its even sweeter when your 1 of the best in the game also, because you have access to everything.

Except natural sunlight and quite possibly a girlfriend

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's related to this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vyOroHlKtk

Jim. I really feel like this is insane and you guys are taking too much responsibility for Jason's scamming.

+EV