Several people have asked about the content of the original post. I happen to think the mods have the right to (re)move that post if they truly believe most of the original posters were gimmick accouts (though I dont buy it) or if they would like verification of the facts by Jim(stox) first.

Fortunately for the curious though, I believe the original post was cross posted on several forums.

As a previous poster in this thread mentioned, I found googling for "Jason ho scam" very informative.

PS. Please forgive me for not having a high post count. I am not a gimmick. Simply a lurker.

wow I just PTR'd and you and had no idea you were losing so much money (no offense). From what I saw you seemed like a decent player. I am not a coach or anything but, if you would like help with your game, feel free to PM me and we can talk about hands and stuff if you like. This goes to anyone that got scammed by jason.

Also im not trying to advertise myself or anything, just seems like these guys could use some help and support right now and isnt that what this community is about? I think we can help the victims by offering our support and make them feel better quicker and get over this mess.

I feel sorry for anyone who got scammed, but this story is truly entertaining

Also as I posted on LP, I don't understand anyone that would follow his advices and turn into losing players during several months and not actually start to think and use their head when they play instead of actually copying some random donkey's teachings?

Why would someone who wins 4BB/100 over a large sample seek coaching from anyone?

I feel bad for him and I'm not saying this wasn't a scam, I'm just questioning why he would need a coach. Casper obviously invested the time to become a winner in this game yet for some reason felt the need to get coaching? If you're winning 4BB/100 coaching can only hurt you. The coach, at best, can only win at this rate (or similar) and likely plays a different style you are not used to. Therefore, the learning curve associated with adapting to this new style will only hurt your results.

My personal opinion is that to become a winning player takes an extreme amount of work that the player has to do for himself. Coaching will do nothing but pigeonhole you into a style you may not be used to and you will be unable to adapt to different opponent styles or changes in the game over time. IMO You are better off taking the time yourself to really study the game and understand it.

actually you can keep playing the same style and just take some advices from coaching, incorporate new things in ur play, understand concepts from a better player, but not literally change the way you play poker... you need to use ur head and decide if you can apply something you've learned from someone else in ur game or not...

lol you are right what i meant to say was not "how he can beat high stakes NL" but "how he can be so good at the point of being a stoxpoker coach".

The fact is that I used to watch a lot of videos at the time, from all stakes and players, and this guy's video was really really... "out of the standard", lets put it this way.
I dunno how to explain it, but it was clear to anybody whit a minimal poker knowledge that he was not so good as claimed on the site.

This is dwarfed by the Superuser scandal.

It is still crummy behavior, though, if what is being alleged is true. Unfortunately, when money is involved, people get greedy.


My guess is that most posters/lurkers on this forum weren't even born yet when the above-referenced movie was released.

Gordon Gekko: It's all about bucks, kid. The rest is conversation.

that movie has so many great lines.

I don't understand how someone like this can get a job with a reputable training site.

Do these coaching sites not employ any quality control whatsoever?

It'll be interesting to see CR/Stoxpoker explain:

(a) how they selected Jason Ho in the first place

(b) the degree to which he was checked-out (interviewed, results reviewed, references taken up)

(b) how he managed to stay there if he was this bad...so bad that that the Stoxpoker lead NLHE coach at the time says "He was advocating some of the stupidest stuff, and I had a very hard time believing he was a good poker player"

On the face of it it looks like ZERO quality control...pre-hire as well as post-hire

How many other poker site coaches are losing players, charlatans and scam merchants?

Overall, very, very shoddy.

To all those saying somebody should have said something, have you ever seen the reaction when anybody has the temerity to question the mighty poker coach cabal? Accounts you haven't seen since 2006 start jumping out calling everyone busto railtards.

Wonder if he scammed anyone for DDR training: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBiEI...eature=related

(unsure if this has been posted)

fwiw, in support of the duped "students", there were a lot of testimonial posts in the stoxpoker coaching forum praising JH for turning them into strong, winning players. im guessing now that they were fake accounts, but when reading them, alongside support from other coaches at SP(like cottonseed) and being attached to the SP brand, its not that naive imo.

his videos were pretty ave imo, but ~75% of videos across the whole industry are rubbish when you think about it.

Only partial quotes -- more good stuff on the link


"2 years ago avid professional video gamer and Entrepreneur Jason had a vision - he wanted to create a project which not only would be musically different to everything out in the market but also visually. He commissioned Eagle E as the musical director for the project.

The Zen Concept is like nothing ever experienced before. It will be a breathtaking exploration into the mind and psyche of ZEN and his world. Prepare to be taken on a fantasy, sci-fi journey where anything and everything can happen. The Zen Concept will explore the extreme limit and imaginations of everyone's mind.

Sounds Like We sould like nothing you have ever heard before, we are going to draw on all infleunces from mmoprg gaming, anime, animation, music, theatre and film to give you the craziness that is zen concept!!! The world never saw us coming! You can be one of the first to follow our story!"

http://www.youtube.com/user/zenconce.../4/PKHqfHVtrrk

Also, do other people think he looks almost exactly the same after going through the trouble to have plastic surgery?

"Man looks in the abyss,
there's nothin' starin' back at him.
At that moment man finds his character;
and that is what keeps him out of the abyss."

In after aejones.

in after faluzure.

I'm annoyed just reading your post, I can imagine the guys that were scammed out of tons of money by this scumbag must feel insulted by it. So it's just a 'staking deal gone horribly bad'? How in the name of god did you come to that conclusion, this is obviously one of the scummiest situations to date involving online poker.

This guy straight out lied repeatedly to con people out of at probably a couple hundred K. He never made $1 million playing poker, he likely couldn't beat 100NL. He was representing and endorsed by the people that work at stoxpoker and hence was able to use that endorsement to milk these naive people dry. No-one would have hired him as a coach if they knew what kind of player he really was - a completely useless donkey. Yet you think the 'coaching component of the complaint is irrelevant' - I wonder how irrelevant the people who hired him based on his lies think it is.

And the 'staking deal' part of the complaint is obviously also a complete scam. No-one would stake a guy who was bankrupt and had lost a fortune at online poker - But this prick scammed them because they were under the illusion that he had won a ton of money at poker. And to top it off, he didn't even stick to the staking agreement and went and blew the cash on even higher stakes than was agreed he would play on.

But to you this is all just a 'staking deal gone horribly bad'. So you don't count it as a scam when someone lies about their background so as to take loads of money off loads of people for coaching and staking? You don't see it as an issue that this guy was a stoxpoker employee that they used to bring in more customers to their site?

I take it stoxpoker is gonna be compensating people for their employee's misbehaviour? I mean if I was scammed out of money by a bank teller, the bank would compensate me. If I was scammed out of money by a mechanic, they garage he worked for would compensate me. Etc, etc....This guy worked for stoxpoker and was endorsed by them, bringing in customers for them, and he was allowed to prey on their naive members. So I take it that as these people were scammed by a stoxpoker employee, stoxpoker will be compensating the people scammed?

Thx TONZ, yhea i lost like 20k in 5 month playing his guide and around 10k in coaching fees and bul**** guides, my bankroll shrinked so fast that i had to move to 100nl and i was so wasted by what he teached me that i was also loosin in 100nl, i had to learn again poker and rebuild all my game, after 3 months of work i m actually playing good and grindin back my beloved bankroll... i lost one year of winnings with that .......... i can t even find a name....

Can't Pm you, apparently not working, but yhea we can discuss bout poker no problem pm me if you can, i feel good about my poker now that i erased all those crapy jh things from my head :-)but it s always good to talk strategy , and Fyi i declined the Plo offer, my bankroll had already schrinked when he asked it( do i have to say thx god ? )...

Stox might also consider cross posting the threads on this issue in their general forums rather than it only being available in the private forums.

nothing has happened that has not happened before and will not happen again.

We outed that to avoid that , we don't want that to happen to the same kind of fools we were... I just trusted the guy and his references , i shouldn t.

some of his references were good.

That s the problem, how could i guess , really when you in , you don't think enough, with my level at that time i couldn t discuss his references , i was only a 200nl and 100nl reg chasing the dream, better had stand by myself and buy good ebook like now ( i won't advertise :-) )

Some say he is ok as a coach. Some say he is not. That is all we need to know.

There is no point in investigating further.