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Old 08-27-2012, 05:20 PM   #1
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Should I have called here with 10s?

Was playing in a live satellite tourney Saturday and would like different opinions on my final hand.

I was in late position with 16,500 to start the hand, average stack was ~18,000 with 17 or 18 players left. Blinds are 500-1000 and a minute or two from going up to 1000-2000. Folds around to me and I see pocket 10s, raise to 6,000. The button calls and bb goes all-in with 18,500. This effectively put the pot at 29,000 and I have 10,500 left to call all-in. I call, the button folds, and the bb had AA, board misses my 10s and I'm out in 17th or 18th place.


Should I have called here? I was running through the numbers on my drive home that night and I was pretty happy with the call but would love some other thoughts on it.
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Old 08-27-2012, 08:46 PM   #2
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Re: Should I have called here with 10s?

(OP might be in wrong thread)

Looks fine as played imo. Almost impossible to fold given the numbers, unless you have a soul read.

Could maybe raise smaller preflop (2200-2600), and have room to call allin or fold, depending on how good a read you have on the bb when he 3bets.

*Also, dunno if payouts would affect the decision.
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Old 08-27-2012, 08:51 PM   #3
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Re: Should I have called here with 10s?

Your raise pre was way to big with 1k blinds. I know it's shortly going up to 2k, but it shouldn't matter to much at this point. Standard raise of 2k or 2.2k and then re-evaluate. Then if you decide to fold, you can do so. I think at this stage, you have committed yourself.
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Old 08-28-2012, 12:09 AM   #4
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Re: Should I have called here with 10s?

Oops! As soon as I read your comment on the bet being too big I realized that I was mis-remembering the setup. This was the 2nd hand of 1000-2000 blinds and my bet was the usual 3x raise.

Sorry for the brain fart, its been one of those Mondays...
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:07 AM   #5
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Re: Should I have called here with 10s?

Yeah, sizing still a bit big at 6k - you're committing nearly 40% of your stack, so you're essentially all in no matter what happens.

Minraising to 4k still leaves you with 12.5k behind - though with only 8bb effective to start the hand, you probably have to go with it even if you get 3bet (though it still leaves a small chance you could make a read, and potentially make a decision).

Overall though, with 8bb it just seems like a spot you're committed to - getting all in is fine a huge majority of the time.
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Old 08-31-2012, 03:55 PM   #6
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Re: Should I have called here with 10s?

the call seems pretty decent imo but the sizing of your first bet seems a bit strange... I mean why not going all-in in first place if you are willing to call later on? anyway to answer your question though since you acted that way as the agressor the call was pretty standard unless the payouts are affecting your options as Gorgon6 said.
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Old 09-08-2012, 11:07 PM   #7
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Re: Should I have called here with 10s?

If you are still in 500-1000 you can MR to 4K and maybe find a fold if it gets 3 bet and four bet shoved but its pretty iffy, depends on tournament structure, your image, and a lot of other factors.
If you are in the 1000-2000 stage you just put your money in under most circumstances. In fact, I don't think I've ever open folded TT with 10 BBs or less, its always an open shove. nine handed, UTG, on the bubble with a couple short stacks about to be blinded out I still think I open shove TT with 8 BBs. If you really need the mincash the structure could effect that decision but mostly its about as simple an open shove as open shoves get.

OP, It sounds like you could use some work on your bet sizing for tournament play. If you actually had like 20BBs you could consider opening for MR and folding but you really shouldn't raise 3 BBs off a 16 BB stack and fold. If you are open raising 3BBs off an 8 BB stack, well, for one you probably should not do that and as far as opening 3BBs off 8 and then folding??? thats just silly.

I think the book Raiser's Edge would be a SUPER BIG help to you. There's a lot about what you can and can't do with this or that stack size and its got equilibrium tables for raise/fold raise/call short stack situations in the back of the book. One thing that will prolly suprise you is that TT is often a better hand to get it in with preflop then JJ. Hard to believe i know, read the book though it explains..kinda. The equilbriums were produced by software so even the authors were suprised about that.

NEway, yeah, its OK to not fold TT in OP and in revised scenario
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