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Originally Posted by ThinkItThrough
Look, i'm telling the truth. Don't listen to poor people and losers if you wanna make money. Don't listen to people who have not done (or made others do) what you wanna achieve.
I think it is very mean to put down the hardworking guys who end up making 10k/month at HU. Ponty, I'm disappointed you'd say something like that. It's fair game to attack me as a person and/or the way i say things. It's not cool to put down the proven hard work and inspiring stories of people.
This is about people who have (often) made nothing and now make 10k/month...
One border-cop made in a month MORE than he used to make in a year at his job.
Tell him that he is not on "top of the pecking order". He knows that, but is happy with the 18k Euro he made last month. He worked his ass off and he knows he is not a Jungleman... so what?!
He makes more than most "top regs" that would "beat him" and think they're the sht.
I define "success" as making a sht ton of more money than before... not having the biggest e-d1ck. Although, i admit, it is nice to have a big one and be the top reg etc .
In the year(s) to come you will see people begging on their knees to join our super advanced programs. Mark my words.
Now that we've grown bigger and bigger, we don't have the 100% insane success rate anymore. So as nature wants, some people will not see the end line for various reasons. And all of them i can directly without any doubt exactly WHY. It never has to do anything with pokerstrategy.
It's mental weakness and the inability to do simple things.
So anybody who can do simple things can make it. And we've proven it.
Did not in anyway disrespect your guys commitment. They are some of the hardest working stakees around, of that there is no doubt. However you claim that they are running/going to run hu for years to come. That is just a blatant misrepresentation or lie. You are too out of the loop yourself to be anywhere near the top of the hu pile, let alone your students. I'm not putting these guys down, they are straight up badasses for the effort they put in but if you are telling them that they are world beaters then be disappointed in yourself for misleading them, you know and I know that isn't true otherwise they'd be running the koth on stars, and come on... none of your current students are near that (and i don't think ex students are either).
Again, this does not diminish their money making skills. But when you say "**** poor people, they don't know how to make money at this game" etc etc then it should also be pointed out exactly how your guys are making money. The one who makes the most money from this is yourself, through a mixture of very hard work and also clever marketing. But if you can come in to a thread and tell a player to aim x high, then my point was why shouldn't someone else post in this thread saying "**** that gordon gecko, he's poor in comparison to me, and i tell you why, he can get you X high up the ladder and I can get you Y high". Do you see my point? you've told the guy to ignore other dickheads but then listen to people at your level. It's quite obnoxious and arrogant in the least.
I have no problem with your stakees or if anyone wants to join your program. You were indeed the person I was attacking in my post not your students. Not so much you personally but certainly the arrogance of that advert (which is what all your posts on 2+2 basically are). And lets be honest for every hansthegreat (you need to research on people like yadadamean21) we never hear about the guys that don't make it. There are about 4 names that you regularly pimp out on the site but you have taken on dozens... hundreds? of applicants. So is really difficult to gauge these successes as random variance or all your own work. I think in theory a lot more of your students should have made it than have actually been announced. And lets be honest.. if one of your guys made $50k or $100k, it would be plastered all over your coaching thread.
I don't hate you or even dislike you gordon, You were a very likeable guy when we had some sessions. I do really hate how you handle yourself on 2+2. The post in question was a bucket of aids and you know it. There are plenty of poker players who made money in the past, are rich and are totally ****ing useless now. Wealth is not an accurate measure of anything bar wealth. You may be more wealthy than some 2knl hu reg grinder but doesn't mean you are better than them.
It's not about e-dick waving. Saying "i'm rich listen to me" is e-dick waving. It's about being respectful, your post wasn't respectful, in the same way that serious hu regs would not respect your hu skills nowadays. Context is key. Sell your success but stop selling the bull**** with it too.
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Originally Posted by JonIrenicus
A matter of taste really, to me it sounds like he says what he believes directly. Gordon doesn't hide the fact that he is not a modest person, quite the opposite.
Also, I think I've seen him explain he is a money maker, he teaches you how to make money (not beat Isildur HU or play perfect GTO).
If I were a student myself I would work well with someone who talks to me straight up and speaks his mind without censoring his words and who will call me a f*n idiot if he believes I am a f*n idiot.
I could see others getting offended by it as well(and I could also see Gordon call them a "f*n pussy" :-) ), so it's about what you prefer.
Yes and no, my issue isn't with someone selling themselves, it's about someone misrepresenting stuff. Like many things poker is an extremely fluid environment where strategies are improving all the time. I've had coaching from some of the best hu players in the world, including the likes of Gordon and D2themfi, Gordon proclaims to be the best etc etc but I have serious doubts he'd beat some of the better 400nl regs that battle... let alone break in to stars koth at 2k.
Gordon can def help people make money, no doubt about that but he won't make you a world beater and it's very easy to believe that's what he's suggesting he can do.
And if wealth is truly a measure of success and skill then **** gordon, I'm getting darvin moon as my next coach.
Last edited by pontylad; 08-21-2015 at 06:46 AM.