(Moved) Listing Discussion Post - Page 2 - Poker Coaches

Jah Onion · 07-17-2012, 05:46 PM

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Given that many students overvalue stats as it is, and simply choose the coach with the best stats very quickly, that just reinforces the leak.

But at least they have a concrete criteria to help them choose. Without graphs, what remains? The feedback? pfft last time i looked a ton of feedback was from < 10 post members or people no-one's ever heard of who play busto limits even tho the coach also coaches up to say 200NL (let's say 25-200), so that feedback for me is just as big a leak if not bigger.

And, like you said in the HU discussion

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It's not important that he only plays fish, that's probably what most students that pay $100hr for coaching should do, play bad players.

It's not like anybody pays $100hr in heads up cash coaching to learn how to beat 400NL regs, right? That's a much higher priced service being offered by better players out there.

pretty much applies here too. You're not getting 50nl coaching to go sit at 100nl regfilled tables, so if that guy has a graph of him crushing some steaks that are higher than 50NL chances are he's got something to teach you and for it's gonna be worth the hourly.

And, I mean, what are you even saying? How will forcing everyone to post graphs make the leak worse? Bumhunters with awesome graphs ALREADY post their graphs, so it's not like that's gonna get worse. And in the current environment a potential student with this "graph leak" will shop around, see an absolute crusher who plays in tough games but has no graph posted (?!?!?!?!?!) then he'll see a bumhunter who posts his graph because it's pretty, of course the guy will choose the bumhunter over the crusher with no graph, so I'm not really sure how things could get worse by expecting every coach to have a graph in OP

Jah Onion · 07-18-2012, 11:05 AM

oh come on

i enjoy our little debates
IT'S BEEN 18 HOURS WHY DON'T YOU REPLY?!!??!?!!!!!11ONEONEONE

**ChicagoRy** · 07-18-2012, 06:31 PM

I had a funeral!

I don't disagree really about stats and/or sns being required, if the powers that be wanted that, I would not protest or even blink. But front and center over values them, it says "we think this is most important" imo, and I don't think that's too good.

I think we just need to quit posting about this stuff and start writing up "how to get the most out of coaching" "how to select a coach" "step by step guide to finding the right coach for you" "do I need coaching? maybe" type stuff in here. I'll sticky every single one of them (or one thread linking to them all) and we can really educate students on how to choose a coach, instead of arguing over how to best require coaches to display/advertise/operate.

We can still torch the blatantly false advertisers, but that way, students would really have no excuse other than "I want to spend $100s of dollars without reading how to spend it first" and I'm comfortable with people that feel their money is burning that big a hole in their pocket not making the most informed decisions.

Plus, the coaching advice type articles and guides could serve a wider purpose; for selecting coaches on training sites, coaching sites and other non 2p2 places.

Jah Onion · 07-18-2012, 08:33 PM

goddamn that backfired. Sry about the funeral man, i was obv JK

Agree with your post pretty much

BackBlood · 07-25-2012, 06:50 AM

LOL OP must be high on crack. So what he bumhunts and offers coaching.

Theres alot of good players that crush but dont play regs. Stop getting offended and get used to it.

BackBlood · 07-25-2012, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy

If he makes $100s of dollars and can teach someone how to do that, I guess he doesn't deserve to coach because he purposely plays weak players, that idiot scam artist!

It's not important that he only plays fish, that's probably what most students that pay $100hr for coaching should do, play bad players.

It's not like anybody pays $100hr in heads up cash coaching to learn how to beat 400NL regs, right? That's a much higher priced service being offered by better players out there.

I understand why you're butthurt, the guy is being a dick to you in a LC thread in the hu cash forum, but you gotta do better than that for this to have any relevance outside of a personal feud in a strat forum's LC thread.

Right now, it looks more like "You said some **** to me, so I'm going to do what I can to ruin you." And if you're a better player than him, that also is not really relevant. If you're a successful reg hunter at 400NL hu, you would charge well over $100hr for coaching.

It's also not really my place to say what people charge and if it is fair or not, that's for the market to decide, not a moderator nor a high stakes regular, but in this case, it really looks like he's not clearly overcharging for any reasons you mention, if his rate were like $300hr I think you'd have some good points about him overcharging, but I also doubt he would get much (if any) student action at that price.

*I like these hu threads more than those FR threads, I actually know enough here to push back in appropriate spots Jah

LOl wtf is this post about.

He can charge whatever the **** he likes... Its his choice and its up to the student to find out where he made his money and how much of it consisted of regs action, and whether in his coaching he wil tell you a stragey to beat regs or to beat fish.

If I wanted to I could charge $2000/hr and offer coaching and my coaching would only consist of reading board textures and your hand strength and finding out how good your relative hand strength is to the board. Is it worth it. No but its my choice to charge that much.

I really dont understand why everyone is against purediesel.

EDIT: Im a retard. Should read your whole post before replying.... I definitely agree with your second part of your post though lol.

chessterfish · 07-30-2012, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BackBlood

LOL OP must be high on crack.

false

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Originally Posted by BackBlood

So what he bumhunts and offers coaching.

and table blocks, fake accusations in my direction...

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Theres alot of good players that crush but dont play regs.

false, there aren't any. I don't think you realise how important game selection is heads up. You can be one of the worst players in the world but as long as you only play the guys worse than you, you will crush