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07-15-2012, 04:55 PM
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(Moved) Listing Discussion Post
I'd advise anyone thinking of taking up coaching to take a look at his trash talking in the hu regs thread. Also would you care to comment on your omission of your merge sn? PureDiesel is a bumhunter that wouldn't beat the limits he is playing at without game selection. Here is an example of him fake posting his blind to try and keep an "a" table vs my old account on merge:
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Welcome to the game
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Starting Game #50935183-15
Game was cancelled - any blinds have been refunded.
D0ntBluffMePlease> chester gtf o
wittyscreenname> why, i'm willing to play you quit table b****ing
wittyscreenname> how much would i have to pay you to play me for an hour?
D0ntBluffMePlease> i told you GTF O
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Starting Game #50935183-16
Game was cancelled - any blinds have been refunded.
wittyscreenname> who are you? you should go back to play money imo if you can't beat 100nl without bumhunting
wittyscreenname> people like you are bad for the games
D0ntBluffMePlease> dont **** me off dude
D0ntBluffMePlease> pi ss
wittyscreenname> dude i'm going to have to report you to merge this is rediculous
wittyscreenname> i'm willing to play you and even pay you for action
D0ntBluffMePlease> dude stop annoying hell out of me im busy 2tabling atm
D0ntBluffMePlease> get lost NOW
wittyscreenname> you never play anyone with a pulse do you
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Starting Game #50935183-17
Game was cancelled - any blinds have been refunded.
wittyscreenname> ok dude your reported now, hopefully they ban your account or something
D0ntBluffMePlease> they will ban YOUr account for annoying, table b****ing and offering rakeback to every1 on these tables
D0ntBluffMePlease> better leave NOW
D0ntBluffMePlease> you are DONE on our forum
wittyscreenname> well for starters you just made that up
D0ntBluffMePlease> and on this site
D0ntBluffMePlease> DONE talking
wittyscreenname> your not pure deisel are you?
D0ntBluffMePlease> no, Im Chester
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Starting Game #50935183-18
D0ntBluffMePlease> no need to behave like 15years old
Game was cancelled - any blinds have been refunded.
wittyscreenname> ironic
D0ntBluffMePlease> you have nothing to do with your life besides b****ing and annoying players?
D0ntBluffMePlease> go find a hobby
wittyscreenname> i don't get it. i'm here looking for a game and you just go and sit out at my table and stop me having fun
D0ntBluffMePlease> you have problems with LOGIC. I am sitting on EMPTY TABLE that belongs to MERGE. and waiting for players i like to play. You are not the one
D0ntBluffMePlease> in the list.
D0ntBluffMePlease> and you tell me I AM NOT MAKING YOU HAPPY???????
D0ntBluffMePlease> you make NO SENSE
D0ntBluffMePlease> i am not chasing you around tables on daily basis and b****ing
D0ntBluffMePlease> forcing you to play or leave
D0ntBluffMePlease> you are pathetic human beeing and you are DONE
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Some selected quotes of made up accusations in my direction from the hu regs thread which have persuaded me to out this bumhunting scumbag:
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Originally Posted by PureDiesel
Chessterfish, BTW, WTF is with you listening to the coaching session I've had with a friend of yours? Inbe4 you deny that, it's even recorded your Skype and voice on my video. What were you trying to pick off from my sessions? It's pretty retarded.
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Originally Posted by PureDiesel
Chesster, you are one more sad litle beeing. When I was 100% playing poker 've told you Stars NL200 ANYTIME GO GO GO. You gave cheap excuses, that you don't play on Stars. LOLOL. People asked you why are you REG, NOT AMERICAN, but from UK and not playing on Stars and challenge on Merge??? And also you've been spamming random regs on merge with 100% offer of rakeback crap. Now GTFO.
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I'd also encourage you to take a look at his most recent poker goals and challenges thread:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...ds-hu-1184496/
I would advise anyone thinking of seeking coaching with PureDiesel to reconsider and those who have received coaching to seek refunds.
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07-15-2012, 06:07 PM
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Re: (Moved) Listing Discussion Post
I don't have time to chase this one down and figure out if the accusations are valid or not, or if they should have any impact on the thread.
I don't want to leave something so strong in a listing thread, so I'm moving it here in the meantime. If anybody has any meaningful input, please post constructively.
Don't turn this thread into troll flaming, fair warning you might get banned when I get the time to go through this one more fully.
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07-16-2012, 05:35 PM
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Re: (Moved) Listing Discussion Post
chester's post seems pretty legit to me
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07-16-2012, 05:43 PM
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Re: (Moved) Listing Discussion Post
Maybe a Chester post saying "FYI, PD has some major issues with me that might be relevant information. Link here, here and here" is appropriate.
Whatever the case, it's not going to be a debate in a coaching ad about who decided not to play who at the tables.
I checked out that regs thread, it's a bunch of yelling, then Chester says "we'll discuss it in your coaching thread." No offense, but that's quite a turn off, settle your garbage in LC land, if there's a serious problem shoot me a message.
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07-16-2012, 08:12 PM
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Re: (Moved) Listing Discussion Post
Yeah, you're right.
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wittyscreenname> your not pure deisel are you?
D0ntBluffMePlease> no, Im Chester
D0ntBluffMePlease> no need to behave like 15years old
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i don't get this part, lol
also, love the lock censoring.
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Chessterfish, BTW, WTF is with you listening to the coaching session I've had with a friend of yours?
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imo, this is kinda shady if true
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07-16-2012, 08:32 PM
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Re: (Moved) Listing Discussion Post
You guys are retarded
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07-16-2012, 08:32 PM
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Re: (Moved) Listing Discussion Post
Coach thinks Im a moron, so I post in his coaching thread. What a tool
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07-17-2012, 03:34 AM
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Re: (Moved) Listing Discussion Post
So short version is that PureDiesal keeps a very short bankroll on Merge(pretty sensible really) to bum hunt and will offer action on Stars to Chester at NL200?
Isnt having money on sites because they are softer, especially if your from the uk, pretty much a hybrid version of bumhunting?
Dosnt look like either person has covered them selves in glory here. Im not sure what it has to do with the coaching thread though as people are saying his results are legit arnt they and anyone with complaints on his coaching should really post in that thread with them.
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07-17-2012, 06:26 AM
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Re: (Moved) Listing Discussion Post
oldschool u just grumpy cuz ur gf kicked u out and ur living in a hotel.
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07-17-2012, 10:45 AM
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Re: (Moved) Listing Discussion Post
My primary reason for making this post is a couple of troll posts made against me that accuse me of offering 100% rb (i'm not an affiliate so this is pretty absurd) and another troll post about me supposedly listening into a coaching session with PureDiesel (also absurd because I currently reghunt 400nl on stars, so why would I want a session with a 200nl bumhunter?). Both of which are made up troll posts and reflect badly on my character if someone were to believe them.
After all this I feel the need to out this guy since $100/hr for coaching from this guy is a scam, the reason his winrate is high is because the guy never plays regs. He's agreed to play me and a couple of others and has found ways of backing out for months now. The hu regs thread is just full of posts like this from this guy.
Also why can't I post a negative comment in his coaching thread? How is that worse than all the leveling posts that are in there? Don't you think people should know that he only plays fish? I'd consider that pretty important info for heads up players.
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07-17-2012, 12:59 PM
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Re: (Moved) Listing Discussion Post
this post makes much more sense than your OP. had u somehow combined the two, i think your post woulda had a much bigger chance of staying
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07-17-2012, 05:25 PM
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Re: (Moved) Listing Discussion Post
If he makes $100s of dollars and can teach someone how to do that, I guess he doesn't deserve to coach because he purposely plays weak players, that idiot scam artist!
It's not important that he only plays fish, that's probably what most students that pay $100hr for coaching should do, play bad players.
It's not like anybody pays $100hr in heads up cash coaching to learn how to beat 400NL regs, right? That's a much higher priced service being offered by better players out there.
I understand why you're butthurt, the guy is being a dick to you in a LC thread in the hu cash forum, but you gotta do better than that for this to have any relevance outside of a personal feud in a strat forum's LC thread.
Right now, it looks more like "You said some **** to me, so I'm going to do what I can to ruin you." And if you're a better player than him, that also is not really relevant. If you're a successful reg hunter at 400NL hu, you would charge well over $100hr for coaching.
It's also not really my place to say what people charge and if it is fair or not, that's for the market to decide, not a moderator nor a high stakes regular, but in this case, it really looks like he's not clearly overcharging for any reasons you mention, if his rate were like $300hr I think you'd have some good points about him overcharging, but I also doubt he would get much (if any) student action at that price.
*I like these hu threads more than those FR threads, I actually know enough here to push back in appropriate spots Jah
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07-17-2012, 05:35 PM
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Re: (Moved) Listing Discussion Post
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Don't you think people should know that he only plays fish? I'd consider that pretty important info for heads up players.
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If a student thinks that is specifically important, they can ask him. If he lies in the answer, then it is clearly a time to point out a clear lie in his thread (and I would do it myself if I had the info and saw that happening, and you would be free to as well).
Often times players that game select most have the best stats. That's why I tell all the ppl that troll about stats being required and most important that they overvalue stats and should get samples of actual game play analysis from coaches and references from regulars (as well as stats) to make their decision.
But the average student doesn't agree with me, they just look at stats. That doesn't mean I have a right to go into every thread and say "warning guys, make sure to ask the coach which regs he plays, and ask for a sample of his work." Even though that would help students make better decisions, I can't just go derailing every ad acting as a crusader (though in most cases it's far from crusading, there are other, more direct and negative motivations for the information, usually a strong dislike for the coach).
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07-17-2012, 05:36 PM
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Re: (Moved) Listing Discussion Post
lol FR is pretty straightforward.
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That's why I tell all the ppl that troll about stats being required and most important that they overvalue stats and should get samples of actual game play analysis from coaches and references from regulars (as well as stats) to make their decision.
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Meh, I don't think anyone said stats are the be all end all of making informed decision wrt a potential coach, just that it helps weed out the oldschools pretty damn fast. That's the only issue it was supposed to tackle and for more complex issues like bumhunting obv it doesn't help much, but it's not meant to.
Just like posting 50 references from some 10NL noobs doesn't actually mean that guy is as good a coach as they think
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07-17-2012, 05:42 PM
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Re: (Moved) Listing Discussion Post
Jah, many of the critics want stats to be featured on every listing at the very top of each listing.
Given that many students overvalue stats as it is, and simply choose the coach with the best stats very quickly, that just reinforces the leak.
Old School had good feedback from players. If he had handled his criticism a little better and been a little more forthcoming in his thread, I would imagine he wouldn't have gotten hell from a dozen or more FR players and could've survived the first time he had an ad and kept coaching. I think it was more of his handling of the initial criticism and discussion of his stats that led to his downfall.
You know, like Split had that 100k label, and people flipped out on him. If Split had reacted by saying the 100k label was fine, you're just haters, screw you, ignored you partially too, then coming into LC threads and fighting, it would've led to legions of haters in his thread and he probably wouldn't have a thread at this point. Instead, he took some time, realized the 100k title was quite a bit too much, changed it and changed his OP, and he seems to have a thread without criticism now, a regular ad like everyone else.
So I'm really saying that it wasn't about stats in either case, it was about how the coach handled things. I actually think the stats stuff isn't all that important, a coach with good stats will feature those stats clearly. If a coach made 100k in the last 6 months they will tell you that, obviously. So when a coach doesn't tell you that (and in the rare case doesn't leave you sns to do your own research, which is also plenty of info for students to make an informed decision), it's going to tell you something. I think those players already get a lot less coaching interest because of their lack of relevant stats or screen names.
Edit: I'm not talking about clear manipulation though. If a coach says "here are my recent results" and it shows results from 2005, 2006, 2007, etc. obviously that's clearly misrepresenting and has to come down/get changed. There's going to be a lot of gray area, as one person thinks 6 months is the relevancy, another a year, another 2 years, etc. and in different game types it's going to actually be a different time period too.
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