Its really beautiful to see professional poker players finally fighting for morality and fairness. In a world full of injustice, you can count on guys like Pontylad to put things right in the world and to carry us through this ethical swamp.

I love my work as a coach, but I feel much better knowing that a 30k hand sample of my online play (basically a week of playing full time lol) is constantly thrown in my face and used as evidence that I no longer win at poker. Is Ponty a huge hypocrite? is Vinivici? are they simply demagogues? Naw, I think they are professional card players that love to troll people, and make fun of new posters who create threads (I mean cmon, who doesn't do that?). Despite that, they have huge hearts full of love and respect, they despise exploitation! THEY ARE in this fight to help new posters avoid being exploited. Contrary to all of their other behavior, they truly are here to help!

Im happy, and also very sad. Happy becuase I know whats up, thanks guys for showing me. Im not happy because after an 8 hour session last night in St Louis, I am down $100. FML I am a losing player now! I must disclose this to everyone, quit coaching, and admit that I'm a complete fraud. I know that now, finally I understand.

There is hope though, I will become a winning player once again if I have a good session tonight. Ponty, Vinni, LOL Zack things are very clear to me now, thanks for the wisdom and keep up the good work. Although your behavior is completely inconsistent with how you present yourself, I get it! I support what your doing!

completely hopeless

Nobody cares if you lost $100 last night. We know you are a losing player. What you fail to grasp is that people care about you posting up results from 4 years ago and trying to sell your coaching on the back of those. Those results don't mean ****. Also deleting all the history from your other thread so you can start afresh without any questions relating to it.

If you stop trying to deceive people then you will be left alone because anyone that then buys coaching from you is just a full blown retard.

I'm sure there are guys in this thread who can help you become a winning player again. Why don't you PM Jah. He wins at poker so don't be surprised if his rate is at least 4x what your rate is. That's only right surely.

You can bitch/cry as much as you want. I'm one of the few who said that you should still be able to have a coaching thread. But if you're going to have a coaching thread then it should be the old one where the mud hasn't been swept under the carpet. I don't know why you feel so entitled to be able to hide all the crap that was uncovered about you? or why you think any prospective student wouldn't want to know?

Unfortunately Jeremy, your whining about how I treat you unfairly is a complete nonsense, as is your references to people fighting for morality in poker. It's the conscientious members of this forum that helped stopped people like breathweapon and jason ho from continuing their scamming. And as you keep ignoring, i've asked other coaches the same questions that i asked you in your thread. The difference was they didn't feel the need to lie/get defensive or just totally ignore the questions.

If you think a student would give you the same consideration when looking at both of your coaching threads independently, then you are devoid from reality.

using words like this is unfair and bordering on unethical

True, here's my graph if you're interested:

http://gyazo.com/5e13038688a1f51ef55dcbf6efa2c45a

LOL so when you are critical of me its ok. When Im critical of you, its bitching and crying, got it.

I wasn't bitching or crying sir, things are as they are. My post was meant to express was how I felt about you... a hypocrite and self righteous *******. I wasn't crying to you, wtf would you think I was? Write responses after you've read what I said next time. Neways, I think this conversation is about over with. I strongly disagree with what you are doing and how you are going about things, and you also feel the same way about me, cool story bro.

I love to coach, and I am a winning player as of recently....and since I started my career.....years ago......... I'm grinding full time now but I will coach more in the future, there should be no problem sharing my current results when students ask. I will continue to advertise in my own way on my own terms, **** you Ponty. I am an awesome coach and it is truly anyone's loss if they pass up on working with me. As anyone who REALLY knows me would/have/will vouch for me.

Well it's obvious that you are completely incapable of handling criticism or tough questions like those students would/should want to ask. But lets clarify a few of your points. Of course this is the fault of everyone questioning you... not the fact that you never want to answer these things.

You are definitely crying/bitching about the issue as a whole (i never said to me personally), you keep talking about how unfair everything is and how awesome you are. You really don't understand how this stuff works it seems. It is completely appropriate for people to critique (is the word you're looking for) your thread and your claims... so i have no idea what you being critical of me has to do with anything? If you want to critique my non existent coaching thread then please be my guest. The subject here is your coaching thread... that's it... so nothing else is important.

You dislike the way i've handled myself? you've tried to call me every name under the sun while i've at least attempted to maintain some dignity and not make this personal (bar 1 post in your thread where you claimed your multiaccounting was "fine" and lied saying that i had asked you for coaching in the previous 12 months (rather than 5 years ago or whatever it was (which incidently was a time when you still played and beat the games))). Apart from that one response all i ever did was ask you to post results or answers to the questions that had been put your way. Instead of answering you decided to post memes, call people names, avoid the questions or lie about the answers. I'm happy with the way i've conducted myself and would/will do exactly the same if this situation arises in future with another coach.

As for your last paragraph, it's just the same dross as you've posted all along, words without substance or meaning. Not one reputable person during this whole façade has come forward to defend you, some of your previous students have even questioned you also and hell, some of them even want their references removed from your thread and not to be associated with you anymore.

Splitsuit, at least had the balls to confront the people questioning him and give honest transparent answers... you still can't do that. And that's why his thread is still flourishing while yours is an utter mess. People who get coaching with split know exactly what they're getting in to after reading his thread... If you had it your way, no student would have a clear picture of your history when reading your coaching thread... and unfortunately that shouldn't be your choice to make.

So in parting, thanks for the "**** you ponty". It just validates everything I've been repeating since day 1, you lash out rather than just growing a pair and answering the questions. However i do have to disagree with you about me being a hypocrite. For me to be a hypocrite i would have to be a coach, be at best a breakeven player, think mutli-accounting is fine and have alienated myself from everyone in the community for acting like a petulant child.

As is, i win at poker, don't coach and some people even like me (though just barely), ergo your argument is invalid.

Gl to you though, cause if you're keep acting like this in general you're going to need it.

Ur post above contains more than one lie about me. are u aware of what liable is? And can u read?

Gonna end this by pointing out how often u lie to distort my image. Im on my phone so cant go through all of ur crazy nonsense...... Here goes...6 people came into my thread and defended me with well written responses. two of them respected mid high stakes players one midstakes coach and 3 students of mine. Also I never thought my account sharing was fine ....those are ur words of course. I made u look silly when u brought it up because I had already outed the account on my own to the community years ago. Peice of advice for you..... learn how to find facts before u argue. That's why I think ur an *******. Because among other things...u lie. You're hypocrite because you accuse me of lying, and you are guilty of it more than once in this very thread where you accuse me of it. Are you not smart enough to understand the concept buddy? One last thing, I do still have friends in poker, you dont know ****, as usual......

"Are you not smart enough to understand the concept buddy?"

yeah i know what liable is.. i think u meant libel though?! either way lol. Maybe you should start pming me again your failed attempts at abuse?

If everything people are saying about u is false, then why not just reopen your old coaching thread? seeing how hard you owned everyone in it. You live in a total fantasy, you joked about your multi-accounting as if you we some cool kid for doing it... so yeah, you were a dick about it, and showed no remorse in the thread about it at all. feel free to reopen your thread and let people see if what you say is true (you won't as we both well know).

You also name dropped Alan Jackson like no ones business... it was pretty cynical of you to try and drag him in to your thread repeatedly. It worked, congratulations... but i assume he was never a student of yours? the only recognisable students i see of yours that have aired any view on you is zach who basically laughed at you and UCDLAcrosse who was horrified to see you using his name to advertise your business. As is, you still don't seem to get it in to you head that i have told you repeatedly that you should be allowed to have a thread and coach... my issue is with how you lied/hid your results, you were not upfront and honest about it.... which is why there are about 10 people posting in here saying the same thing as me. It is also about how you marketed yourself in exactly the same way as split did that brought so much offence to a lot of the posters in your thread.

As for "learn how to find facts before u argue", you asked for your thread to be closed and it's been deleted... so how can I? all the facts are in there for everyone to read. learn to think before you type.

I mean I'm happy to let other people judge whether i'm lying or not, just re-open the old thread... that's all we asked you to do in the first place. It's sound like you're getting angry, don't turn green on me now, i suspect i wouldn't like you when you're angry.

Keep up the spin Jeremy, you're doing a great job of looking more desperate in each and every post you make. People must be wondering why you're so against having your old thread reopened? especially with the sick amount of ownage you did in it and how you disproved all the falsities suggested about u.... honestly... you're just deluding yourself.

Oh, and if the majority of people who have been posting on the topic can post here if they think i'm lying or maliciously distorting the truth, then let me know and I will bow out and never post in this thread or even on this topic again.

Where is your coaching thread newschool?

I am an outsider but newschool's attitude alone is just way too hateful and most of the posters are posting are more logical and less hateful tones. That alone speaks to the integrity of newschool and how he handles himself professionally. I really cannot give a lot of respect after reading this thread.