anyone have experience with mindset coaches ect? thoughts? i hear good things about elliot roe although seems steep prices per session. is it really worth it, any one with second hand experience give me some sort of experience on it? thanks , jamie bury

I coach mental game, it's incredibly valuable in my opinion. My rates come in quite a bit under Elliott's, though I am not a hypnotherapist I think his sessions are really good, have had some myself. Contact me for a free consult, contact@binkbig.com

Have been working with Elliot coming up on 2 years, and have him working with the top guys in my stable, cannot recommend him enough.

A lot of it comes down to how willing you are to implement his/others processes, so go into it with an open mind and be willing to take yourself out of your comfort zone. If you aren't already in that mindset and prepared to leave your ego at the door then you'll be burning money.

Roe use to advertise on Two Plus Two but we concluded that we should not accept his advertising any more and refunded money for advertising that was paid for but had not yet run. So that's our opinion of his stuff.

Best wishes,
Mason

We think Roe's stuff has no value.

Mason

If anyone has any doubts in Elliots abilities, just ask Fedor Holz.

You may want to look at this thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/33...?highlight=roe

Holtz posts as CrownUpGuy and his first post is No. 35.

And again, we told Roe (and Jared Tendler) that they would not be allowed to advertise on this site anymore and we refunded money to both of them.

Mason

Do you have any evidence that their coaching is of 0 value? Im not saying its valuable. I am just curious because I have considered getting coaching from them. But to reconsider I would need some actual evidence its not worth it.

Isn't that thread just Holtz saying he really trusts Roe, he disagrees with everything you say and explains how you can't backup anything you say?

I have had 5 sessions with Elliot spanned over the last ~12 months. I have nothing but positive things to say. He also works with a lot of the end bosses in the game and can help get your mindset on their level. At the very least I think he has a free consultation or something for a reduced price (of maybe it's free). Definitely recommend giving that a shot. Price is steep but if you think about the ROI in your life+poker that you can reap if your mindset is on an elite level...

Hi WALMARTcnxn:

It just so happens that there is current a thread in our Psychology Forum where some of this same stuff is being addressed, and you may want to look at it:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/26...layer-1637393/

I also understand, and correct me if I have this wrong, that Roe charges $249 for a one hour session. So this means that you have already spent over $1,200.00 on this stuff.

By the way, people who go to The Choice Center spend a lot more than $1,200.00 and one well known name in poker raves about this place. But it doesn't mean it has any value.

Best wishes,
Mason

And after David Sklansky and myself explained to him that what he was saying was flat out wrong, Holtz announced he was done posting in the thread.

MM

lol, he did not say it like you're describing.

he said it's not even worth the time to try to tell you how wrong you are.

thanks for the response rob, i do suffer some anxiety off the tables and in turn it affects my life , the only ego i have is at the poker tables im afraid, i wear my heart on my sleeve in most cases

Interesting 2+2 stopped allowing mental gsme/ life coaches on 2+2 .Any reason why they wernt allowed to advertise on the site without having to go through lots of threads

Thanks Mason. Yes, I may have spent 1200$ but the benefits (both monetarily and non-monetarily) much outweigh the cost from my personal experience. I have no choice but to recommend Elliot to one of my friends. Thanks for your opinion on Elliot's work, as this is a public forum. Perhaps you could refer us to some coaches that you believe would be better suited for the job?

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While I like Elliot's podcast I don't really know what value his coaching might have or not have. I doubt it is zero. You seem to be making a judgement that it is not worth his current hourly.

If value provided based on rate/cost of coaching is you metric for deciding which coaches are allow to have a thread on 2+2, you might want to have a hard look at other coaches.

Also if you are removing Elliot with this logic you are implying everyone listed has you endorsement?

Why don't you get your facts straight.

On the Roe Podcast Holtz talked about the difference between being 98 and 100 percent confident. In Post No. I wrote the following:

In Post No. 35 Holtz writes:

In Post No. 36 I write:

In Post No. 90 David Sklansky writes:

Now you tell me where we have this wrong.

MM

Try to get Holtz to say he quit posting because he realized you're right. He wouldn't say that. He quit posting because you won't give it up and just admit you don't know anything about this field. No point in me posting again, you'll just say random stuff and never drop it or admit you're wrong.

He quit posting cause your book is awful (look at the Amazon reviews, other than the one you had someone write), and the real reason you banned effective mental coaches from having threads is because you just wrote a book and thought that would help the book not fail like it did.

Hi Mike:

You actually raise a good point which I want to address here. We have stated many times on these forums that one of the things we try to do is to steer our users towards those things which we believe are good, whether it's our product or not, and away from those things which we think are questionable.

When working on my psychology book, I became familiar with some of the work of these poker mental coaches and concluded that at best it had virtually no value. Thus we stopped the advertising from both Tendler and Roe, and refunded money that they had paid us for which advertising had not yet run. (Cardner was not advertising with us.)

On the other hand. You'll noticed ads for Upswing Poker on twoplustwo.com. We're familiar with much of their material and think highly of it.

Now this brings us to the rest of the coaches. Here, we don't know one way or the other. So the first time you go to our Coaches Forum where the coaches have their advertising threads, you have to click off on a warning that basically says that anything you purchase you're doing at your own risk.

Best wishes,
Mason

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^I believe you are talking about "Holz" and Mason is talking about a different player "Holtz", hence all the confusion.

first, no, I think they're the same person. I looked up Fedor's episode on the podcast with Elliot and he goes by CrownUpGuy, which is the poster Mason linked to.
http://www.pokermindcoach.com/episod...-to-greatness/


even if they are different, it makes even less sense then for Mason. Here a poster says Mason's view of Elliot is wrong, just ask Fedor Holz, who we all know, who supports him:

But Mason says "oh well look at what this Holtz guy said!

it gets even worse when if you read that thread correctly. CrownUpGuy is really just saying that there's no point in arguing with Mason because Mason will just keep it up and never admit he's wrong about everything. What else could this mean???

CrownUpGuy says Mason just will not get his point, and he's tired of answering Mason's "(missguiding) arguments."

And Mason thinks this is supporting his view??

in b4 Mason posts a whole lot of words that he says are proving the opposite, even though they're not.

we can make this sample: Mason, get Fedor himself to post and say he disagrees with Elliot but supports your view. It won't happen.

This is exactly what Fedor was talking about when he says he's not getting anywhere and Mason will just try to keep it up with misguided arguments.

Your book failed, Mason, live with it.

so funny that this pop ad now right next to this thread on 2+2

https://gyazo.com/34fb7655abafaa63b7f023eb3576de97