Hello everyone:

Lots of stuff here. Hopefully I covered everything and don't get bombarded with PMs again.

A few weeks back I made a post about exchanging PUA coaching for poker coaching. Ultimately, I settled upon working with two different individuals. The results have been good; my poker learning curve has been reduced and they have shown improvement in their social skills. I sent a letter about a possible opportunity this summer to those that were not chosen. That opportunity has come to fruition.

Christian (My former business partner) and I have talked about living in Vegas this summer. This is for myriad reasons, but the relevant one to mention is to bring our game to the next level. We are looking to create a total immersion experience where afterward we can count ourselves among the truly elite. He and I have always massively benefited from a synergistic effect due to our complimentary skill sets.

In my first letter I detailed a bit of my accomplishments. As for Christian, he is finishing up his PhD in Mathematics, he is a comedian who has performed at professional shows, and he competes in Iron Man Events. However, despite these successes, he was not able to achieve what he wanted to achieve in the social arena until he applied himself to doing so via a rigorous system. Quite frankly, his analytical ability far surpasses virtually everyone in the seduction community. Bar none.

The last post of mine brought in a plethora of questions as to what I am able to regularly do in a night life venue. Rather than assert "I can do x, y, z", here is a third party account from the well respected blogger and PUA Assanova about the time he and the Rock Star Famous crew visited me: http://assanova.blogspot.com/search/label/Existential. A fairly standard night except for the disciplinary action that I needed to dispense to poor Huckleberry at the end.

Several former students and associates from the seduction community have expressed interest in taking part in this experience. This interest, along with the unexpected interest my post on these boards generated, has inspired us to create a total immersion, live-in boot camp for the time we are in Las Vegas. This experience is for the individual who wants to completely transform themselves and develop the skills required to reach the loftiest of their social goals; whether those goals be to have many girlfriends, to find that one special girl, or a healthy mixture of both.

We don't count ourselves among the world's top ten seducers; not even the top one hundred. However, we are very, very good at coaching, and those that have worked with us in the past have always come out satisfied. When we professionally coached it was never with the goal of getting rich. Simply put, we enjoyed it and one of the main drivers was being able to help guys who were in situations that were akin to what we ourselves once faced.

We both consider the current state of the industry to be a fraud. It is designed to maximize profit, not to help students reach their full potential. These industry boot camps last one weekend, cost several thousand dollars, and feature deplorable student-to-instructor ratios. Unfortunately, and as these companies well know, one weekend is, for the most part, only enough to practice opening, which means STARTING a conversation. We have friends and former students who have taken these boot camps, and they have described the instruction as little more than a drill sergeant saying "now go talk to her."

The house will be jointly run by Christian and I. The emphasis will be both on theory and the application of that theory. Our teaching philosophy is much like the martial arts philosophy of Bruce Lee. We take what works from all other systems and mold it into a new dynamic and flexible methodology that is fluid enough to deal with many scenarios while still maintaining an ample degree of rigor.

In addition to he and I, we are looking at bringing in several other individuals for brief stays in the house. Two of these are females who understand game and are able to heighten understanding of certain concepts by explaining and demonstrating them from a female perspective. One of these women has met Mystery, Style, and many of the other superstars of the community. She's even been flown out free of charge to several conventions.

A quick word needs to be said; gaming these guest coaches is not ok. For one, it's highly likely they'd eat any potential applicant alive. Second, anything that could be construed as sexual harassment or simply making someone feel uncomfortable will not be tolerated. Other potential special guests include former students who we feel have developed a specific aspect of their game to a remarkable level.

The last 'instructor' that may be available is a Muay Thai coach. I spent two months in Thailand and developed a solid friendship with one coach in particular. I have been in discussions with him about a possible visit to the states this summer. If there is sufficient interest I would coincide these two events and ask him to run a daily 'public' class free of charge to the members of the house.

Several presentations on particular subtopics will be given each week. These will be studied on their own merit, but, more importantly, studied within the context of the entire discipline. Several day and several night outings will be undertaken each week. Each one will be followed up by group field reports, analysis, and followup (contact game, day 2s, etc) so as to reinforce all concepts in everyone's mind via a multitude of examples.

A partial list of subtopics that will be covered is as followed:

AMOGging - Dealing With Competition in The Field
Boyfriend Destroying - Neutralizing Other Men in Her Life
Contact Game - Maximizing Your Chances of Progression
Damage Control - How to Deal With Situations That Turn Sour
Day Twos - Be The Date She'll Never Forget
EHVT Search - "Finding the One"
Friendzoning - In and Out
Online Game - Easiest Way For the Regular Joe to Bag a Legit Ten
Style - Projecting The Fact That You Are a Cool Guy
Social Circle Game - Developing a Life
Social Proof - Really, It's All an Illusion
Social Warfare - Dealing With Those That Have Bad Intentions
Threesomes - It's All About The Girls

Space in this project is limited. A certain preference will be given to those individuals that we already know. All applicants will be interviewed to ascertain that the correct house dynamic is created and maintained. No preference will be given to those with better base level skill. The "40 year old virgin" will not be discriminated against in favor of the guy who has experienced some positive results. We are confident in our ability to succeed with even very difficult cases. As such, the application process will focus on determining who will be a good fit to the house and who shows a willingness to exit their comfort zone and immerse themselves in the learning process.

To apply, send me a PM with the subject line, "APPLICATION", with the application form at the bottom of this post filled out. I will be sending a few additional questions depending on how you respond and we (Christian and I) will then be conducting phone interviews with those we feel may be a good fit. No preference will be given to those that apply first. As such, everyone who intends to apply has one week to do so (Read: Applications received after Wednesday, March 11th will not be considered). We expect only serious applicants and so expect to see a decent amount of thought put into the application. We will not continue with the application process until the one week is up.

If you have a specific question, PM me with the subject line, "QUESTION." Please keep such questions relevant to the PUA House. I spent several hours last time responding to general questions such as, "Who do you think is the best PUA" or, "What would you recommend I read?" As to anything like that, I will say, look for materials that teach CONCEPTS, and only rely on specific preplanned examples as a way for students to internalize those concepts. In the end, you're looking to 'become' something, not to 'do' something. Those that pursue the latter path end up stuck in countless ruts, unhappy, and obtain sub par results.

The cost is 5k. This includes lodging in the PUA house. While I cannot give specifics as to location and level of amenities because we do not know how many people will be part of the house, I will say, we are looking to be staying in a very, very, nice place. I would expect it to be along the lines of:
http://www.vacationrentals.com/vacat...als/30915.html

Some people might wonder why this immersion is being offered so cheaply and if the price is a reflection of the quality of the expected experience. Since we're no longer coaches professionally, maximizing profitability is not a big concern. At this point, we both have other sources of income. Simply put, we are in search of other individuals who want to participate in the total immersion experience. One of the last rungs of mastery in a given skill is the ability to teach and elevate others to the level of mastery, and frankly, it's something we enjoy. At the same time, we are asking for a degree of compensation for time spent. Considering this is significantly less than what anyone charges, or even what we would charge were we still coaching professionally, I am confident in saying that it is by far and away the best opportunity available to anyone seeking help from the seduction community.

This will begin in July and will officially last one month. Again, I cannot give an exact date because we have not chosen a specific location. Once we have ascertained the number of people in the house we will pick an exact date.

In addition to the 5k, everyone will be responsible for a proportional share of any required security deposit. Any damage that is done to the home that is not traceable to a specific house mate will be shared by everyone. Any damage that is traceable to a specific house mate will be paid by them in the entirety. We, however, do not expect any problems in this regard and assume that everyone will be receiving 100% of their security deposit back.

Other expenses will be travel cost, food, and anything required for particular night life venues. Like any other big city, Vegas nightlife can be expensive. I'm currently having preliminary talks with two individuals who may be able to assist us in arranging some sort of deal for the month to help reduce costs such as cover. Obviously, if you plan on drinking (we are not necessarily against this, provided you aren't becoming 'belligerently drunk.' Don't worry, we'll make sure you don't cross the line here.), plan on spending more.


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-Donald

wtf

This is sick...snap call.

*Guffaws*

I'm sure there's a market for this and these guys are smart for tapping into it.

With that said LO F***** L. I had no idea it was possible to write so much and use such high language when talking about picking up and then hooking up w/ girls. TY OP for an awesome post.

While I don't know who these guys are because I've been away from the PUA scene for years (gf), I have to say that this is probably an amazing opportunity for anyone looking to get better than you've ever imagined with women. This community, started primarily by fastseduction.com (free site, not an ad) has turned pick up into a science. It helped me get from being intimidated by even looking at a woman in the eyes (god forbid if I ever tried to talk to one), to the most interesting and fun guy of the party. And all that just by reading the forums and trying to become better. I never spent a dime on any service or product.
With that said, I can imagine a summer boot camp with guys who are actually good can teach you what you'd learn by yourself in 2 years or even more. This is a whole new world.

This thread has been reopened. I went to the admins by request of the OP and was told this thread is allowed. OP and forum, please accept my apologies for deleting the thread.

Pokeraddict, you handled the situation well. So, no need to apologize. Thanks for taking the time to double check with the higher-ups. Many moderators on many other boards would simply have not bothered to do so.

Because of the delay I am extending the application deadline to Friday.....the 13th. Lol. We've started talking to potential renters and it will take several days to conduct phone interviews. So, we really need to have an exhaustive list of everyone that is interested by that time.

This is a level or if it is for real you are going to have a large list of the saddest losers all lining up to try and lose their Virginity in Vegas and probably not succeding until they hire a hooker, good luck.

This could be a level but I can assure you PU is real, and just looking at the OP, I would bet Tier knows what he's talking about.

FWIW I'd jump on this opportunity in a heartbeat if I had the BR to support it (and it would if it waited a few months)

On a side note,
Tier: I PM'd you about a month back, but let me know if you offer a similar type of deal in a month or two (maybe an applicant drops or something? :O)

Glad they reopened this thread.

It has been decided that all sorts of coaching within reason, not just poker related, will be allowed here. I still reserve the right to rule something is too OT or ridiculous but will be happy to get a ruling from above if needed just as I did here.

lol @ PUAing

There will be an alternate. That said, we will be choosing them from the original applicant pool alongside the house members. So, if you are interested in this you need to fill out the application form. Also...please note your specific situation as to wanting to be considered as the alternate.

OP, don't you feel that PUAing is forced and almost in-genuine? Can't any normal looking, socially normal guy who has a bit of confidence, and is comfortable in conversation find women?

from the experience i had with PUAing, i can tell you its more about getting to know yourself better thus being more confident than ****ing every girls around.

It takes sometimes to become aware of that tho, there are hundreds of men who are still trying to pick ups chicks thinking its gonna fill the hole they have inside of them.

They are so wrong.

And PUAing is no different than playing poker in that way.

An analogous question one could ask is, "can't any 6'5 guy with world class athleticism play in the NBA?" What is forced and inauthentic is a "socially confused guy with a lack of confidence and who perhaps isn't so comfortable in conversation" trying to be a "socially normal guy who has a bit of confidence, and is comfortable in conversation", regardless of his physical appearance. One of our key guidelines in coaching is that all advice must not only be true, it must also be actionable. The converse of this would be something like telling a passive fish in poker, "Play tighter and more aggressive." Sure....but what does that mean to him?

This is typically why guys who are naturally good with women aren't very good at teaching. The advice is, "just be yourself", or, "just talk to her", or, "be a man." That last line in particular, "be a man", encompasses the entirety of what it takes to be attractive to women. In that sense, it's the perfect advice. But, again, back to the poker analogy, it's like telling a newbie, "just make sure every decision is +E(x)."

I know a lot of naturals. I made it a point to study them. I've yet to meet a natural that can even come close to doing what I can do. Why? I've got a theoretical base to work from AND I've got exponentially more of his biggest asset; confidence in myself and who I am as a man as I approach and engage the world.

Exact same thing in regard to a woman who is several standard deviations away from the average in looks. She is well calibrated to social situations. Her experiences (being hit on daily since she hit puberty) have molded a strategically viable dating strategy that allows her to quickly sift through all of the potential suitors. But, she still doesn't understand on anything more than a fleeting level WHY she is turned on by certain things and not others, or what makes her want to get to know the guy who approaches her Wednesday morning and not want to know the guy that approaches her later that night.

I do understand these things and it's one of the reasons that despite the fact that she generates so much masculine interest and society bestows such a high value upon her, I am often able to trump her in social interactions.

Being a PUA is a MEANS not an END. It's a methodology that allows an individual to explore various concepts and ultimately realize certain truths on their own. The guy who becomes a PUA "for life" is, like I said originally, "encountering countless ruts, unhappy, and experiencing sub par results."

A quick example. The typical "nice guy" (an AFC in the PUA world) goes about with the mentality of trying to impress a woman. This manifests itself in innumerable ways. The often cited one is buying a woman a drink at a bar. This seldom works for him because he's coming from a place of neediness and trying to impress her.

So, he either (a) observes some 'player' or (b) reads some random PUA material and concludes to not buy a woman a drink. This is the PUA advice, and, compared to the first guy, it generates more success.

However, the PUA or the 'player' is still acting from a place of reaction seeking. He's not doing what he wants to do in the moment, he's trying to make her chase him.

The next level is realizing that there is nothing innately wrong with buying that drink, provided it's what you want to do and it's not trying to buy her approval. So much of this is subcommunicated in your words, your vocal tone, your body language, etc. People that are socially adept recognize it even if it's on an intuitive level.

I'll buy a woman a drink. I'll tell a woman I like her if I want to do so. Meanwhile some "PUA" scoffs at me because what I'm doing isn't "by the book." (And I, night after night, do things he only dreams about) Well, it is by the book...it's by MY book. I am a man. I make my own way in the world and I'm not apologetic about it. Women are a wonderful addition to my life, but, they are not intrinsically vital to who I am. One fundamental truth all men who are good with women realize is that the less you need them, the more abundant they are in your life. If you're new and don't understand that statement...it is NOT to be taken as some sort of metaphysically tenable 'The Secret' mumbo jumbo. =0

So...yeah, some guy might be 'in-genuine' as he works with a particular subset of PUA knowledge. And yes, some guys might even get 'stuck' and permanently rely upon it. That shouldn't be the goal for a student and unfortunately it is for most coaches out there. Not because they are trying to harm the student, but because THEY THEMSELVES are stuck at that level.

I tell a student to do something so he recognizes the concepts beneath it. I don't want him to just be, a "socially normal guy who has a bit of confidence, and is comfortable in conversation", I want him to be a, "socially elite guy with supreme confidence who can effortlessly converse with anyone." I want him to be that, "6'5 guy with world class athleticism." That's who I am, and, that's who I want him to be.

You DON'T transform him by telling him, "just be socially normal guy with a bit of confidence." I've gone through the process of transformation. I know what works and I can relate to guys on various parts of the journey. PUA know-how is one of many valuable tools to be used along the way.

this is so pathetic

I so agree

TierTier, bit of advice.

Don't write so much if you want people to read it. No offense of course.

I'll start by saying that although OP sounds somewhat knowledgeable, there are a number of oddities in his post. Not the least of which is that only one person has come to support OP.

That being said, I think that the negative responders need to consider how they would have changed their response had OP offered "life coaching" or "social life coaching" rather than framing it with "PUA". If you read what he's meaning rather than what he's saying, it seems that he's offering more along the lines of, "I'll teach you how to increase your self-confidence and be more comfortable in social situations," than "Learn to bangz hot chixxx."

A few comments for the last few posters...

This is an opportunity for those that are interested. If you're not, no one is forcing you to read about it. It's clear from the first post what the thread is about. There's no need to decrease the signal-to-noise ratio in a thread that doesn't interest you. This is basic forum courtesy.

With regard to making posts shorter, thank you for the feedback. In this case though, realize this post is NOT meant for everyone, or even most. My goal is not to get wide readership. My goal is to let THOSE INTERESTED know all pertinent information, of which there is a lot. Moreover, this will be quite an in depth experience. If what I wrote is too much for a prospective applicant, he's not right for the house. I know the type of guy who fits, and he wants those details. For that reason, I provide comprehensive information and comprehensively answer any worthwhile question.

With that said, if you are curious about what is being posted here, by all means, ask questions. But, there's no need to decrease the signal-to-noise ratio in a thread about something that doesn't interest you. Intelligent concerns can be useful. Centauri, if you or others have a concern as to my and Christian's credentials, that's useful. Then it's known what concerns need to be addressed. To other posters, "this sucks", is not useful.

A kind request from the OP to maintain a respectful thread.

LOL WTF. You write a ton of long things that are just meaningless. Judging by your writing, you should let testimonials or someone/something else do the talking for you. I am sure there are a few PUA experts out there that might be well worth it. Yet, most of your long posts seems to lack any kind of substance and it just looks pathetic that you are trying to use big words.

FWIW, I have no self interest to promote or slander your business. It's just my opinion and I just want to warn others to be careful who are seriously considering this.

I feel like OP is the only intelligent poster in this thread. All idiots, please take your ****** logic and leave this thread (this especially applies to the last ******, popt1me).

OP

if your smart enough to learn all that pua **** you probably dont need poker coaching lol