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Old 02-17-2017, 10:36 AM   #1
The Top Boss
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Was this a good shove or a bad shove? (Flopped two pair)

Hey everyone. I was late into a tournament and I shoved, only to get knocked out by a guy who flopped a Full House. I was just wondering if you think this was a good shove or not?

Here are the details:

Players left: 14
Places paid: 8
Stack: 21,000 (21 big blinds)

Here is how the hand went:

Hand:K8o
Position: Big blind
Opponents: One player in the cutoff

The player limped, and I checked.

Flop: J8J

I figured that the only way he could possibly be ahead of me was if he had Jx, 99, TT, JJ, QQ or KK. Since he limped, only Jx was probable, but it was highly unlikely that he had that hand.

And since my hand was vulnerable to over pairs, I shoved to induce him to fold. But he called.

It turned out he had J8 and had flopped a full house.

River/Turn: J8J98

Do you think this was a good shove or a bad shove? And how do you think I could play this hand better in the future?
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Old 03-21-2017, 04:55 PM   #2
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Re: Was this a good shove or a bad shove? (Flopped two pair)

Raise the limper pre, K8 is the best hand in tht spot a boat load and by raising u fold out sum of villains junk, Cbet flop to around 1/3 pot imo, its never a shove bcos u fold out all villains baby pairs 33/44 etc and u also lose drawing hands like 9/7 10/7 its a limped pot and ur jamming on a paired board! tbh ur only asking for trouble with such an approach bud, bcos u checked ur option pre ur going to find urself running into Jx way too often to be jamming in this spot

Hope this help, GL
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Old 03-30-2017, 03:31 PM   #3
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Re: Was this a good shove or a bad shove? (Flopped two pair)

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I figured that the only way he could possibly be ahead of me was if he had Jx, 99, TT, JJ, QQ or KK. Since he limped, only Jx was probable, but it was highly unlikely that he had that hand. [/I]
That's still 228 combos of hands (including AA) that beat you. I agree that we should probably be 3 betting pre as we're ahead of most of the limping range. Also shoving is bad because you're only getting called here by better, I mean hands that crush you and you're folding out all the worse hands that may continue.
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