Im interested in a coaching for profits deal, not sure where is best to look, anybody have any reccomendations? iv looked around here and on pokermarket so far, dont want a generic deal like BPC, want some tailored to me individually.

playing 10NL atm so microstakes coach is ideal, cheers

Well, you know where i come from... but in your shoes i'd look for the team who is most likely to make you win first, and as a second consideration the price.

Having that said, if you find a high quality player who is also a high quality coach, willing to dedicate his full time to a micro-player, you should take that deal in an instant (even if it's not BPC).

So far tho, I'm the only one who has...

1) done it
2) done it again
3) made it affordable for people who don't put in 60hrs/week (we've cut the price down from 100k to 5k for the smallest contract)

Let me tell you why no high quality coach will give you an individual deal (you can prove me wrong here, publicly). I root for you (personally), but reality will prove me right. It's simple economics, and it's not even close.

If you want to put your fate into the hands of somebody who only beats NL50 and has no successful students, disregard my words. In that case Darwin will take care of both of you

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Anyways, he is a short audio with thoughts why an "individual" approach is a losing strategy in life (audios):
a) http://screencast.com/t/WSRRDnRMrB7
b) http://screencast.com/t/UOatZDRQRdF9

Either way, i should also answer your question and not only what i think is the best answer, so here you go:

* Check the cash games coaching sub-forum. You see many coaches there. Ask them, write in their thread or pm

PM every other coach you know or admire on all training sites. Msg and hope, mass spam. Tell the coach how great he is, we love this stuff!
That's what i would do (assuming BPC doesnt exist).

One of my mentors would say "there is always one bank dumb enough to give you money for your deal" (this is for my outside of poker businesses)

If none of 50 or 100 coaches is interested, reflect on why

I have looked into BPC in the past and the main downside to it for me, was that I feel like i wouldnt be getting enough 1-to-1 time if i started on the micro course, from word of mouth too i heard that the book "no bull**** 6max" is pushed onto you massively and there are actually HM2 filters to see if your sticking to the strategies outlined in the book?

Thx for your feedback. All you say is true btw. Sounds like you think those are bugs in the system. I know they are features and benefits!

1-to-1 time.

IN one way you have infinite time because 3-5 times per week you can ask the coach ANY question you want. Personally over voice.
Others will listen in a group setting, but it's still you and the coach.
We don't advertise it as 1-1 time, but in reality it is, because ALL questions are always answered. We never close a session before all questions are answered.


Nobs book being "pushed"

You don't have to buy this inside the program. You don't pay for any material of course.
So what's the problem if the most successful standard-lines poker system that makes people a LOT of money gets "pushed".

Do you hate money?

If you wanna do it "your way", you're gonna stay a micro guy for the rest of your life. How do i know? Well, look at where you are now with what you have done!

If you want to loose weight, eat less and good. Do sports. Done.
If you want to loose weigth, eating 5 bigmacs each day, i can't help.

If you want to win at poker, follow our system. Works.
If you want to win at poker, get free coaching, but still following "your way"... well, i will certainly not waste my time!


Filters to check:

Yes, we developed custom filters. We invest a lot of money every month to make our system even more perfect.

I mean, this is coaching, you want to improve and we give you a way to check how good you're following our advice.

We have SCIENTIFIC proof that what we do works. We do database reviews and see the winrates in every spot.

There is nothing even close to what we're doing out there for micro players. With any coach you're gonna get worse coaching, less material and make less money. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.

It sounds strange. The biggest money makers of our system, it seemed like those are the reasons you look for another program!

Anyways, let me know if something needs more clarification!

Hey gdaviez,

I am personally in a CFP deal with Akroma. I would highly recommend him as a coach.

My experience with him is he will improve your game massively as well as getting you to also think/investigate your own leaks and how to correct them.
When I first started with his program, I was losing huge.... he advised to move down stakes until I was comfortable with every concept he was teaching. This was actually costing him profits, but as he said coaching is a long term investment on both sides. You can usually count on at least 2 or 3 hrs. per week, as well as off table home work. When he is more comfortable with your play, coaching sessions may thin out a bit.


This is my chart since I have moved down. Will be moving up this week!!
http://imgur.com/rCwjvc5

Does that mean you would be advised to purchase HM2 if you only had PT4 when joining BPC, or do you have filters for both?

hey dutchy thanks for the comment, was actually speaking with Akroma before making this post!

Look, even that thing we took care of! Filters for both, altho depending on the program the quality of filters goes up/down. You're gonna be fine with either program.

Either way, i wanted to make sure that we don't alienate the wrong people. Thanks for helping with this and giving your feedback.

Based on the info i have, it's probably best tho if you go out and find another coach/program.

Best wishes and gl!

Excuse me?... This is my first comment and I am asking a very innocuous question and you are trying to tell me your program is not for me?

How utterly insulting, you seem like a great bunch.

They might not be the nicest bunch, but they're the bunch that will make you money, I would rather have a dickhead coach that can teach me what it takes to make money than a nice coach who will be nice while charging me for stuff I won't even use.

Being unpleasant and hard is different to being a **** and using horrible marketing tactics (Which is odd there manipulation game is usually on point)

If I had to guess he thought I was OP.

@homerjunior

Actually your guess is correct, i thought you are OP, my mistake in this case.

I call things as they are and many people can't scope with reality. The distress between their wishful thinking and the truth creates anger, which is then directed to the messenger.

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I don't recommend OP to join our program, because he is looking for something that is not possible.

However, we had a very good conversation and he was nice enough to share what we wants, so no problem here.

About marketing:

Everybody here seems to be an expert on this, even those who have never worked a minute in their lives. I don't think i'm good at it, altho some people say so.

I'm the best coach and a visionary who can inspire others to become the best version of themselves. That's what we do.

We actually have to prove our worth every single day. If you don't win, we go broke.

IMO the most honest form of doing business, but that's for everybody else to decide.

I completely agree with @Galiong/@ThinkItThrough a good coach can be blunt to the point some feel offended, but those people are not cut out to acknowledge and fix there mistakes. Also I don't know about most, but if I respect someone/there ability, a little bit of negative feedback gets me going.

I do marketing for a large portion of my income, if we want to get real you are doing it right now, first you degrade the value of my comment by mentioning how many likely unqualified people make said claim, you then disarm the audience with a light hearted comment informing us you are in fact a nice guy who does not think the world revolves around him, but then make sure to remind us people disagree with your self deprecation and you are in fact truly great.

We could go on and on with examples, like you bending the truth/blatantly lying here

Actually you go +€500 and 50% of everything made because lets be honest, have you ever had a player that did not generate you one cent and left after receiving more coaching than €500 worth? Do you not vet and cherry pick your students? Is your dropout bottom line in the black (I would lay money it is)? This is before all the sweet affiliate money and albeit small book purchases you force (sorry highly recommend) your students who just gave you 500 Euro and promised 50% of everything to you to purchase.

You likely wont directly answer most of these questions but instead have a nice little spiel about why you are great that looks like an answer.

I could go on all day, your website and its "newsletter", claims you sign up and get a little bit of free material, another mislead/blatant lie, you will in fact receive relentless spam, then 48 hours later the scrap of material promised, followed by a lot more relentless spam.

The way you word every single thing you say is geared towards a specific reaction, you are not typing to "help" or "give information" you are trying to elicit a very specific response from us and doing it in the best but also most obvious way possible, which is the optimal strategy for the masses, but makes anyone with a semblance of marketing/psychological knowledge or just a decent amount of common sense, alarm bells ring.

I did not feel like posting this because I personally believe you may be a great coach with a great system, but you also could very likely be selling snake oil. Sadly you decided to belittle and insult my knowledge on the subject in an attempt to seem more legitimate, so I felt a retort was necessary. Also I would argue the most honest form of doing business is actually being honest.

I've heard this psychobabble and analysis from others before (read the thread, you're not in any way, shape or form original here).

Most of what you say is completely wrong and i highly doubt you have any clue what it takes and how it is to run a real businesses, including costs, people etc.
You sound like somebody who says "it's ez to build a car. Just buy the parts, put them together and then sell them"

Anybody reading 30min pop psychology can write what you did. Not impressed!

You're quite righteous and arrogant the way you're talking about "masses". (some of them you can read about here)

My psychobabble analysis of your "strategy":
Use some pop-analysis, then add the 5 magic words "masses, marketing, manipulation, spam and offensive".

(You see, i keep things short and need one line, where you need 100.
That's what i do with poker as well btw. Our nobs systems, i'm sure you've read about it in the annoying emails that you did not one-click-unsubscribe from)

That's your free gift from me. Now get back, read more "spam" and wait for our next offer!

And one thing you're right about, haters help me as much as fans. At the end of the day, people don't care how much foul language i use. Most actually think it's entertaining and don't take themselves so serious.

At the end of the day, people want to make money (and have fun) playing poker. That's the "secret".

And something else (really) funny. I piss off the right people who would be annoying customers! Real winners don't care!

Once again trying to discredit my opinion without any basis just pathetic ad hominems. Informing me that I am not original does not help your case, it hurts it by informing me that many people feel the same way.

You care to retort? Or are you just going to continue to spout baseless opinions about my business prowess.

That is exactly how easy it is to flip cars (Not build obviously that's an utterly inane hypothetical as that is factories these days, more misleading stories and/or blatant lies to try and discredit me). In fact its much easier, more like buy the car, fix a problem a mechanic told an idiot was hard to fix but was really extremely easy, then sell it for 100% profit utter minimum more like 300-500%. You sound like someone who has no true automotive knowledge but is trying to use it as a business analogy poorly.

My goal was not to impress you, obviously you knew this but wording it as an insult helps your case so bravo, and if 30 minutes of pop psych can show the giant holes in your manipulative strategy, maybe its time to up your game. Of course there is no need though, as I pointed out the masses are your goal not someone who will do objective independent research.

Forced testimonials/blogs by members of BPC mean utterly nothing, in fact the way you dress people in these was the first alarm bell when I became interested in BPC, also I clearly pointed out that you hand pick your students (A point you conveniently decided to skip in your response) which further discredits there progress, you also hide filters and show no proof of unedited graphs.


Until this retort you hand written more words than me, yet I am not sure why you are attacking more information, are you afraid potential students may educate themselves and make an objective decision against you? Once again back of on the Ad Hominems you're starting to come of truly pathetic (I see the irony there so don't bother with the inane insult in relation to it)

Hah one click unsubscribe, another blatant lie.

Your "free" gift was nothing more than the basics that a google search produces which was not free and cost me many emails from you, I did stay on the list for one month, and apart form the multiple spam emails a week I never received this claimed "next offer" likely another blatant lie.

I know right, its one of the craziest things in this world, you can be the scummiest POS on the planet, but if you have a slick tongue people will keep coming back for more.

Actually you are getting the mediocre and maybe a little bit of ****, anyone with true potential is going to do independent research and decide against you due to your slimy tactics and terrible attitude.

Whether you think I would have been a good student or not, your own mistake and arrogance cost you me and likely anyone else who does enough research to find this thread, you attacked me because of your own mistake and then without an apology continued to attack me, you are providing a service and you are not special, that is not how you treat potential customers when you want quality, its how you act when you want to scam the masses for there cash and be perceived as a big shot.

If you care to retort to this instead of inane manipulation also answer my question from the first post...

Still not impressed!

Your conspiracies are not original, try again, but pls more detail and better punctuation. The first haters were at least funny. I almost miss them.


"Based on the info i have, it's probably best tho if you go out and find another coach/program."

Those rather innocent words, mistakenly directed at you in a previous post, look what they did to you! You behave like a little boy who can't handle rejection. You're a mess!

Those pour kids who buy your oil enjoy your slimy existence, I shall be off since you can't actually defend your business and instead delve into ad hominems.

Yes, poor people like him from the "masses" who get manipulated by offensive spam marketing emails

Actually, he said that he thinks he is not very smart (the guy with the graphs below). I totally disagree, but people like you actually make some others believe they are not smart, when in reality people like homerjunior are the real dummies!

The great thing is that if you as a coach help them to achieve these results, all "marketing" becomes copy-paste.

This guy is about to finish the HU-PLO program, after having never played PLO in his life. All other money he makes for himself.

This is him so far in the NEW PLO deal. IN july he is currently at 15k Euro profits (after 12 days):



Even the share he pays us is more than you will ever make. Either way, i know you will not stop posting, that's just not how you sick troll people operate.
You're a mess and you know it!

Lets have some fun and for every extra response from your side i will post more reviews/graphs.

Oh, and before you start with "selected students" (only criteria back then was to blog 60 days without interruption...we had micro-stakes losers join), why does no other coach have anywhere close those students...

You have more than 150 students in your program. Ofc you have many stories of success (not more than 10% I guess), but many others have success too and they aren't in your program. I mean, in hundreds of students I'm not surprised to see some of them have success. What about the others? Hundreds of students are struggling, others simply gave up... I was in your program and I know what I'm talking about... Group coaching is not enough, you are not good enough... Sorry, it's my opinion!

@Red-tailed:

You don't have to apologize for your opinion. It's fair game to say what you think. But in all fairness we should then also find out why.

Did you or how many of the following did you do:

- How many hands did you prepare for coachings (avg)

- Was there ever a time where you could not ask ANY question you wanted (if so, the coach will be fired TODAY. We have a rule which says ALL question will be answered)

- Reports, how did you do there. How much did you implement simple things or played "your own way"?

- Homeworks/Study material, how much of it did you complete?

If you give me ur CFP username, i can complete all of that info for you. We track and progress everybody.

If there is anything from our side that can be improved, i will and want to do that. Also, anything else that comes into your mind, let us know!

Looking forward to your answer!

You still have not answered the majority of my questions, could you do that please? Or would the answers scare potential marks away?

i tried reading this whole thread and it's a bit long and full of nonsense, so why don't you just write out a list of your exact questions? Number them all, question 1, 2, 3, etc.

write what your exact criticism is because I just see a mess of comments on both sides.

@Infinite Regress: If you are interested and have any Q, just ask, you will be answered nicely. Make sure to check out our FAQ as well

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All questions of homer - i'm a psycho mess - junior are answered in FAQs or my thread many times.

I knew he would come back, these sick people always do. I'm totally in his head while he thinks he is acting on his own.

I don't waste time on such people, the answers are out there. I answer genuine questions all the time in a very nice way.

Everybody knows that.

Since i promised a review every time he comes back...

I'm being busy the last days, but I will answer your questions soon and explain, the best I can, since my English is not great, my thoughts about my experience in BPC and why in my opinion your program is not so good like you advocate.