Results from our players strongly disagree with you (@redtailored), but let's see what you have to say.

I did take a quick look at your posting history, so now i believe to know who you are. You can also give your thoughts in portuguese, i'm fluent in it (altho better in Brasilian) and will be able to translate for the readers here.

You can come out and say "oh it's not as great as you advocate" is permitted.
I even defended your right to say that without having to apologize for it and i always will.

But if we want to be fair and square, you should also be willing to tell people the whole story. You have (iirc) even written me emails, which i don't intend to publish.
But if you don't tell the truth, i will do as people should know (hope i'm not confusing you with somebody else)

I can tell everybody who does not make it exactly WHY. Many people are afraid because they have little egos and many can't handle the truth (that they are lazy/suck/whatever).

That our system works is not an opinion. It used to be only an opinion based on million(s) of dollars won.
Today it's a scientific fact based on millions of hands that we analyze in databases. It's cold hearted numbers.
And those willing to give it a go, will succeed. Has been that way, will always be that way.

I am however always willing to listen to:

How we can make the experience more fun (without sacrificing the seriousness needed to win at this game) and pretty much every other constructive feedback.

What you can't say is "group coaching is not enough" (in the micro CFP), when in reality you always are able to ask EVERYTHING at least 3-5 times a week (plus email, plus forum, plus VIP support). That's loser talk.

People keep writing emails and telling me it's the most eye-opening moment in their lives (not only poker related).
Even some clients who are recreational players but multi-millionaires in real life tell me that "if my company was run like BPC does coaching, i would be a billionaire"

Anyways, based on what i know, i am curious about your feedback!

Here I am to leave my review, and like Gordon suggested I will write in Portuguese, it's easier for me and he will translate.

Cara, primeiramente acho que não é necessário ameaças relativamente aos emails privados. Se são privados, significa que a privacidade deve ser respeitada. Na minha opinião, alguém que trai a confiança de outra pessoa perde imediatamente a razão, é algo muito baixo que tem classificação. Mas se entenderes que por causa de uma divergência de opiniões deves expôr os meus emails, fica à vontade e vive com essa atitude. Eu jamais o faria, encontraria sempre outros argumentos para defender as minhas ideias.

Voltando ao programa de coaching.

Pontos fortes:

- Programa muito bem organizado

- Bons conteúdos para mental game e mindset.

- Profissionalismo

Pontos fracos:

- Poucos conteúdos teóricos. A maior parte dos conteúdos são mostrados em sessões de coaching gravadas. Por exemplo:

- Como jogar AK em 3bet pots
Este tópico não é mais do que uma sessão gravada de revisão de mãos em que certos alunos expõem mãos (AK em 3bet pots) para discussão e o Gordon partilha o seu raciocínio em relação a estas mãos.

- Coaching em grupos muito grandes (possivelmente mais de 50 alunos)
Eu pessoalmente não gosto. Procurava algo mais persoanlizado! Alguém que analizasse o meu jogo e descobrisse as minhas fraquezas, de forma a poupar tempo. No fundo, têm de ser os alunos a descobrir os seus leaks, o que implica um progresso muito lento.

- Estilo de jogo que é ensinado é pouco agressivo pre e postflop. Embora se possa conseguir uma winrate sólida jogando de forma mais passiva, eu pessoalmente prefiro um jogo mais agressivo.


Estive cerca de um mês e meio no programa e tive de sair por razões pessoais. Entrei no programa a bater NL10 e saí a jogar NL4 (downswing), no inicio de março. Mas acabei por ter sorte, porque encontrei um coach que mudou o meu jogo em apenas 2 sessões, ou seja numa semana.
Neste momento estou a ser bancado por um coach bem conhecido aqui no 2+2, jogando 50NL.

Na minha opinião, sem dizer que CFP é uma má solução, acho que existem soluções muito melhores, mais rápidas, presentes neste forum.


Ainda em relação ao CFP, houve uma coisa que aprendi. Reconhecer quem trabalha. Neste caso, devo dizer que o Gordon é realmente um visionário, um cara que definiu objetivos e conseguiu alcançá-los. Ele pensou e concretizou o CFP com muito sucesso, que lhe trouxe a independência financeira. É realmente uma cara extreamente inteligente que não escondo a minha dmiração.

Unfortunately you didn't answer initial questions (# hands u played, how many questions/hands u prepared for coachings or if there ever was a question of yours that hasn't been answered). However, we've spent enough time and people can build their own opinion based on that.

Made a short vid, faster than writing:

The guys quit 1 month and a half in and you gave back the deposit money? I respect you alot for that gesture Gordon.

After all the rumors about BPC being a big scam, it really is this kind of things that help to gain the plebe trust.

Lonelybox, not sure if u are serious or anything, but security deposit is non-refundable especially (!!!) if somebody quits rather early. So the user did not get it back. Hope there was no misunderstanding about that.

To be fair to the user, he never complained about it as he shouldn't, since we don't refund and anybody who doesn't like that, don't join! I want serious people on board.

I have been "graceful" in lots of other spots, but that's not something i talk about. People should not join because of me being a "good" person in their eyes. Many people are good out of weakness, not because they really are good.
I want to be judged by achievements.

There are no rumors, 5years+ of serious business, real transparent reviews.
So many others on board, world wide #1 winner in SNG of 2015 (who also was my private student some time ago)...
Those who investigate will find out many good things. Those who don't, sure, they can spin their conspiracies. It's the internet, i wouldn't expect anything less.

Guess I heard the wrong thing.

No problem! @Lonelybox

Are you gordon0410 on stars?

I ended my prof playing career many years ago.

Philivey31956 probably isn't phil either

I am interested in zero drama, only trying to go from a losing player to a winning player. My intentions are really that simple. A truthful, very short (even one word) answer to my question would easily make up my mind to join BCP or not as I have been on the fence for a while now.

Question: What percentage of your students produce no profit and, for whatever reason, quit and lose their security deposit? You can answer OVER or UNDER and I will put the percentage (for the sake of this question only) at 50%.

Now, this may not be a question you are willing to answer and I respect that and will just move on if you prefer to not answer, no hard feelings.

I will elaborate a small amount. I do realize some students quit for reasons that are not the fault of the coaching. Some are not cut out for the game, some are lazy, some will not like your presentation (as a purchaser of the 6-max course I can see how some would not like it. Myself, I understand the coaching style). Some will not follow all of the advice or simply can't wrap their head around it so an answer of UNDER does not immediately imply (to me anyway) that your program does not work.

IF you feel like answering the question and elaborating further as to why you feel like the percentage is what it is I would obviously appreciate it and, again, if you prefer not to answer then I understand and appreciate that as well.

Pensfan, we don't give out business details, although i would really LOVE to answer that question.

It's the same reason i'd love to share my personal net worth, as people would stop worshipping ******ed tournament degens, who they think are rich, but are in reality piss poor. But there is no advantage in doing that, so i wont.

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I can put a real, transparent, verified review under every answer in this thread and could go on for years without getting tired. Others don't even have ONE (!!!). I mean, check it yourself and ask coaches that don't even have one damn review that is not from a friend.

For you this means, you know it worked for many different type of people. Pros, hobby players, family dads etc. If you put in the work, you'll get results.
If you give up without trying, don't expect anything, not even from us. Based on what u wrote, you understand that.

I like if higher standards are put on us, it makes us improve every day. But if you compare to your next best option, well there really is no option!

Even the security deposit - which if u loose it - is cheaper than 20hours of coaching with the cheapest coach. And you'll get a hell lot of more than that with us anyways.

You have access to coaches and can ask questions many times a week. There are no limits.
In addition to that bootcamp with quizzez. Scientific research on sites, even up to 25%extra RB in BPC Points (soon to be anounced) on TOP of everything u get from sites, affiliates etc...

We provide deep research, database analytics as free bonus on top of all... well, not because we are nice, but bc we will do everything that makes you win (more).

I know you didn't ask this, but my point with this text wall is:

We are your best shot, any way you look at it.

And there is a reason no "competitor" can attack us for more than one post, because my first response is always "SHOW ME REVIEWS or GTFO"

(Unless you dislike mens language lol)

@Pensfan, not sure if i'm doing a mistake by publishing this, but here is some info about July. I will not comment further and will not promise that this is something we will always do.



The information in a bigger group is never 100% complete (not bc of sample size tho, that is huge), also its PRE- RAKEBACK!

As Alan said, an individual player (altho has to be very good) can achieve this, but a group, give me a break! Especially when you understand that the best players don't join our program (since they are already good).

Rylan must be the only winning player on this program because they always uses him to defend this scamm shame on you people

For some reason I read ThinitThrough's posts with Donald Trump's voice. Never really had an opinion on BCP coaching before, but now I am inclined to think it's not as great as advertised...


On stats above, whats the micros group winrate? It'd be more of a surprise if a group named "crusher" did not win any money.

lol exactly, sounds too good to be true and they always show the same stats of the same 2 or 3 regs they have that are winners and when an actual former student shows up and says they are not good they troll him lmao better save my money peace

I just want to give the two posters above a bit of info. I am not a part of Best Coaching group, I have a couple of years ago bought the NO BS 6 Max book and have also bought another product from the group. I will say its solid basic advice, and is not terribly expensive. So for new players playing under 10NL it can be a good foundation. Also his forum has a friendlier/less toxic support.

Now as far as CFP, I am currently involved with another coach. What I want to say is that whether its CFP or coaching in general, its not a magic bullet. It may be for some, those that can instantly/readily apply ever concept that your coach or their training program teaches. As for instance, when I started my CFP was playing 25NL, taking the information and trying to apply these different concepts I took a huge downswing. Was frustrated and my game went very negative. My coach had me move down to the lowest of levels to really learn and apply his concepts.
So then he is coaching 1 or 2 hrs. a week while I'm playing 2NL. What win rate would you think I would need to achieve to make this worth his wild? Do the math...

And I have to also admit, just because you get the information/coaching, you still have to apply it to your game. This is usually the biggest issue. If you read some of Gordon's post's ( from last year I believe ) he talks a lot about how some players fail due to just this.

So again, I am not saying one program or another is better. A lot is up to the player and what he/she does with the information given.

Dutch96, you have some good thoughts. You can safely ignore the trolls.

It's like school, the best of the best students will somehow make through the worst school, no matter what (like myself in a way, i did so many stupid mistakes, never had a coach and still made it).
Then some terrible students will make it in the best school (only). And then - most people - are somewhere inbetween.


Trolls, well new accounts who seem to know the poker scene, oh well, we have a lot of haters and put a lot of "coaches" out of business. They have created multiple accounts in the past, nothing new.

We're the only ones who have publicly verified results, that our school is worth something. Why this is even a discussion is beyond me.

If you dismiss something based on "trump voice" , that's a choice you can make.

Not a very smart one and funny enough, very superficial while that is the very thing you (likely?!) don't like about "trump voice" in the first place.

We lose money on the wrong people anyways and if anything the way we do things filter out the wrong people in a very natural way. So perhaps that is you right now. And if that's the case, it's a great thing.

And by no way will i try to convince you to not hear "trump voice" or start giving you more information when any 5yo can see that nobody else even has any real reviews.

Superficial people aren't gonna make us, nor themselves, any money. They waste our and their time.

There was this little baby earlier in the thread who got offended by a forum post (!!!) where i suggest him not to join the program. Actually i thought he was OP and mistakenly wrote it to him.

He felt so offended (!!!!!!!!) and went on a tantrum. Pathetic. I mean, u guys realize, its a ***** forum and somebody told him (mistakenly) in a nice not to join.

If that guy were strong, he'd say FU and leave. And then i'd hit myself bc that's the type of person who would definitely succeed with us.

Also, we have some great material from our yearly event that just ended a few days ago.

Just for tarzan, it will be with Rylan again, bc he has decided to finish another program with us - in record time of course!

There are many others as well (just like last year), but let's ignore them. After all, if we're too objective then trolls would go out of business.