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12-03-2009, 05:06 PM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 91
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So I joined DC last night
I have been watching the "S&G micro stakes grinder" series from Vandweller and maybe it's just me but his strategy seems ULTRA nitty. I'm used to playing super aggressive small ball, but when I play the kind of game these videos suggest, I find myself always ending up in a race with 10 BBs and 5 people left at the table...
Am I missing something?
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12-03-2009, 05:31 PM
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#92
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East Coast Elephant
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: CHASE QP, PAYPAL, AMAZON = UNSAFE!
Posts: 18,355
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Re: So I joined DC last night
you should message him and ask him, imo
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12-03-2009, 05:48 PM
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#93
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veteran
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: McAllen, Texas, USA
Posts: 3,234
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Re: So I joined DC last night
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Originally Posted by Hartmw82
I have been watching the "S&G micro stakes grinder" series from Vandweller and maybe it's just me but his strategy seems ULTRA nitty. I'm used to playing super aggressive small ball, but when I play the kind of game these videos suggest, I find myself always ending up in a race with 10 BBs and 5 people left at the table...
Am I missing something?
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What site do you play?
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12-03-2009, 05:51 PM
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#94
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enthusiast
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 53
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Re: So I joined DC last night
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Originally Posted by Hartmw82
I have been watching the "S&G micro stakes grinder" series from Vandweller and maybe it's just me but his strategy seems ULTRA nitty.
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You have to remember the context.
I was taking a player who was totally clueless (all respect to veloblank), as evidenced by the hands we went over in Episode 2. He was making all kinds of spew mistakes, both passive and aggressive. My goal was to turn him into a winning player as quickly as possible, taking into account his lack of experience. Getting him to play a very basic ULTRA nitty game was the fastest and easiest way to get him to stop spewing and I daresay that's the case for the majority of n00bs.
Several times throughout the series (if I remember correctly) I point out that we might play such and such hand a different way if we had more experience or better hand-reading skills, but since he didn't, we are taking a more conservative line to keep him out of trouble.
Once you get a very basic tight-aggressive strategy down pat, you can then through in some extra hands and plays, but there's no way that a n00b like veloblank was prepared for that given his history.
Whatever you think of that approach, I receive emails and PMs more or less daily that pretty much say the same thing: "I was a clueless n00b bleeding money, then I watched your series and am actually winning money."
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I find myself always ending up in a race with 10 BBs and 5 people left at the table...
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Welcome to SNGs.
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12-03-2009, 06:03 PM
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#95
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enthusiast
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 91
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Re: So I joined DC last night
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Originally Posted by vandweller
You have to remember the context.
I was taking a player who was totally clueless (all respect to veloblank), as evidenced by the hands we went over in Episode 2. He was making all kinds of spew mistakes, both passive and aggressive. My goal was to turn him into a winning player as quickly as possible, taking into account his lack of experience. Getting him to play a very basic ULTRA nitty game was the fastest and easiest way to get him to stop spewing and I daresay that's the case for the majority of n00bs.
Several times throughout the series (if I remember correctly) I point out that we might play such and such hand a different way if we had more experience or better hand-reading skills, but since he didn't, we are taking a more conservative line to keep him out of trouble.
Once you get a very basic tight-aggressive strategy down pat, you can then through in some extra hands and plays, but there's no way that a n00b like veloblank was prepared for that given his history.
Whatever you think of that approach, I receive emails and PMs more or less daily that pretty much say the same thing: "I was a clueless n00b bleeding money, then I watched your series and am actually winning money."
Welcome to SNGs.
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I understand, I guess I just underestimated how new he was to the game...
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12-03-2009, 06:04 PM
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#96
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grinder
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 457
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Re: So I joined DC last night
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Originally Posted by vandweller
You have to remember the context.
I was taking a player who was totally clueless (all respect to veloblank), as evidenced by the hands we went over in Episode 2. He was making all kinds of spew mistakes, both passive and aggressive. My goal was to turn him into a winning player as quickly as possible, taking into account his lack of experience. Getting him to play a very basic ULTRA nitty game was the fastest and easiest way to get him to stop spewing and I daresay that's the case for the majority of n00bs.
Several times throughout the series (if I remember correctly) I point out that we might play such and such hand a different way if we had more experience or better hand-reading skills, but since he didn't, we are taking a more conservative line to keep him out of trouble.
Once you get a very basic tight-aggressive strategy down pat, you can then through in some extra hands and plays, but there's no way that a n00b like veloblank was prepared for that given his history.
Whatever you think of that approach, I receive emails and PMs more or less daily that pretty much say the same thing: "I was a clueless n00b bleeding money, then I watched your series and am actually winning money."
Welcome to SNGs.
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Even though I don't play SNG's right now, I loved your series. One of the only ones I've watched every episode of so far...good stuff Mr. Dweller.
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12-03-2009, 06:08 PM
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#97
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grinder
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Markham
Posts: 449
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Re: * Official Training Site Discussion Thread *
Mersenneary, what is this husng review you're talking about? I can't argue about the salesman tone in the reviews, but then again I do feel strongly about training sites being a part of every serious poker player's education.
And if your asking about Pancho Stern, dude asked me for advice on poker training. I gave him my recommendations, and I believe he has been in love with poker training sites ever since.
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12-03-2009, 06:21 PM
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#98
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enthusiast
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 91
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Re: So I joined DC last night
I'm not knocking the guy, I'm just saying I was shocked at how tight the suggested strategy was. But again, I didn't realize how new the student was...
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12-03-2009, 06:25 PM
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#99
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newbie
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 45
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Re: So I joined DC last night
The Van owns.....period
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12-03-2009, 07:43 PM
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#100
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Food = Love
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: I'm with you in stockland
Posts: 11,801
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Re: * Official Training Site Discussion Thread *
The HUSNG review was another site, sorry, but those ten summaries that I posted give a good idea of what I consider makes your reviews puff pieces excessively positive to benefit your site. And as this is my opinion, further posts arguing for your site will be deleted unless they're correcting misinformation.
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12-03-2009, 09:37 PM
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#101
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veteran
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: McAllen, Texas, USA
Posts: 3,234
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Re: shorthanded sngs coashing site
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Originally Posted by egspongi619
Hey guys what site you think is the best for 6-max sitngoes?(best coaching videos)
Float the turn ..sitngogrinders or whatever?
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Both floattheturn & sitngogrinders have excellent instructors for 6 max.
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12-03-2009, 09:46 PM
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#102
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veteran
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: McAllen, Texas, USA
Posts: 3,234
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Re: So I joined DC last night
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Originally Posted by Hartmw82
I have been watching the "S&G micro stakes grinder" series from Vandweller and maybe it's just me but his strategy seems ULTRA nitty. I'm used to playing super aggressive small ball, but when I play the kind of game these videos suggest, I find myself always ending up in a race with 10 BBs and 5 people left at the table...
Am I missing something?
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You ought to drop by the tournament forums at DC. We are a pretty tight group there & share info freely with each other (like here only smaller scale). Also make sure you join the DC private SNG/MTT on Sunday's. We have a blast & exchange HH's & critique each other's play. By the way velo was a total newbie & he IS a winning player now. I was angling for his spot on the series but vandweller deemed not as crappy.
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12-03-2009, 10:53 PM
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#103
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journeyman
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Foxwoods
Posts: 287
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Blue Fire Vs Leggo Vs DC
Im a 6max, 100 nl player looking to fix leaks and move up. Any suggestions on which site might be more ideal?
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12-03-2009, 11:06 PM
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#104
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grinder
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 497
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Re: * Official Training Site Discussion Thread *
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Originally Posted by uofi2012
What are the best sites/series/videos for learning fullring, for non-beginners? I am beating SSNL HU/6-max pretty well, and am interested in learning FR as well. So series specifically focusing on transitioning from shorthanded games to FR ones would be ideal.
Also, the same question, but for PLO instead of FR?
Thanks.
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DJ Sensi and Nolan both have 2-3 good series on DC that fit what your looking for as far as NL is concerned. I'm not sure of any sites that have a deep selection of FR PLO
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12-03-2009, 11:25 PM
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#105
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Rosarito
Posts: 7,152
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Re: Blue Fire Vs Leggo Vs DC
All 3, SERIOUSLY.
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