i'm looking for any site with game theory plo videos?

all the major sites have pretty good PLO theory videos. DC has several series from small stakes to high stakes. the PLO series between galfond and whitelime is very good. and it also has lower stakes more basic PLO series.

and CR and BFP both have a lot of very good PLO content.

read the last 12 pages and couldn't find a definite answer.

Pokerpwnage or PTE for MTT's?

im guessing from the last few pages these are the 2 current best? (small stakes to mid)

probably meant to say TPE^

i think videos might make some people lazy. anyone else agree?

You can't expect us to read all that - please make a video version of your post.

please expand............

spoon fed plays. no need to develop a strong theoretical grounding. allows lazy players to justify not learning the math or doing EV calculations or even poker stoving stuff.

there's also the paradox (?) that the better the instruction given (and the better it is received), the greater the detriment to the instructors regular game.

watching videos from a mid/high stakes crusher costs 30/mo but buying his book costs ~2k. why is that?

just to clarify, i think most instructional sites are very much worth the money.

You make some good points reverie.

However, if player A learns something over a period of 10 weeks on his own and player B learns something due to somebody else explaining it to him for a day or two, who is likely to have the more successful poker career?

I don't definitively know the answer to your video vs book question.

A book will cost more because you are not sharing the cost with the entire subscriber base of X site. I think even with the high cost of some books Y's hourly will be higher for video production

Player B has the edge if they arrive at exactly the same outcome. I would, however, be extremely surprised if a capable student spent 10 weeks actively studying a poker concept or two (and is able to seek feedback) and didn't come to a greater understanding than the guy who took 2 days out to watch videos.

you must pay your producers very well, is my first thought.

my impression wasn't so much reverie saying videos are worthless, but most people watch it expect to implicitly just get better. like "i'm gonna fire up a video and study". which is really a waste of time. I know because I do it.

but if someone sit down, watch it with a notepad open, pausing it every few seconds, and really absorb 1 hr of video, then there is more than enough for someone to play midstakes without paying 2k for a book. but lets face it, how many viewers do it "properly", what percentage of the concepts taught in the videos are learned?

training sites put out videos every day but the thing is, how much overlap is there between videos? sure there are different spots every video but the theoretical content, the things you need to UNDERSTAND, not REMEMBER, can probably be hashed out in just a few series of videos (how much time do you think it takes to explain everything in a 2k book in video format? 10 hours?), and if someone REALLY absorb and THINK about them, they don't need to watch a new video every day to get good at poker.

From my own experience, one alone cannot collectively get to where many together can.

Now, you can name Ivey or Durr or whoever if you want, and maybe some of those guys got to where they are purely on their own studying and without the help of any peers or feedback or videos or coaching or what have you, but even if that is the case that is the rare exception.

But if you made me a bet, for example, that I can't reach X ranking of chess with a month or year of work, I would instantly hire a coach or watch chess videos (assuming chess videos are of the same quality in some places as poker videos), depending on my budget.

Anybody can be good alone, some can be great. But a much higher % find success when they work with others. That can be talking strategy with friends, watching training videos or hiring a coach. In my experience, good friends, videos and coaches are priced accordingly (friends being time, videos being mostly time but a little bit of money and coaches being primarily money as the cost).

That's not to say everybody benefits from videos, coaching or peer studying. If you knew everybody that did all of these, I would guess a good amount of them do not benefit. But nowhere near as many that never become winning players when looking at the playerbase as a whole.

None of that stuff will ever miraculously turn you into a great player. There's no "yes, I now have this secret" and if anybody ever tells you such you should not trust their opinion. Hard work with the right material to aid you is infinitely better than trying to figure it all out on your own though.

Would you trust a doctor, home builder or pilot if they just taught themself rather than worked hard with proper, proven materials along the way? Of course, some will be good teaching themselves, but if you don't have the skills or time to evaluate them properly, it's a huge gamble to go with somebody that has no experience or training. You're relying that they interpreted everything on their own correctly, without the benefit of people who have released material from their own successful experiences, trials and errors, over the years.

That's an extreme example, in poker anybody can be good without any major material or coaching or friends to bounce ideas off of, but if you take 1000 players that do it on their own without anything and 1000 players that work just as hard with access to the thoughts and advice of people who have already been there, I don't see how anybody can think for one second that the latter group will succeed on a much greater level as a whole than the former.

So yes, training sites, coaching, all that stuff can suck. But the good stuff is a huge benefit to those that use it properly. And you have to work hard with any of it or you won't go anywhere (you won't go anywhere without it if you don't work hard either).

There's too many "x material is a scam" and not enough "why don't you people work harder at the game" posts and threads. Nothing personal against you, I do agree with you on several points, but I like to target those that work hard at this game when asking a question of how useful material is, since those that do not work hard are essentially hopeless no matter if they spend 4k on coaching or 0.

Agreed.

The hardest part about learning poker without watching a few videos, for me, would be where the hell do I start? After a certain point, I think self learning has some great advantages.

Sure. I've noticed that a majority of the very successful players seem to be able to point to a mentor or a group of players they talked poker with when they were getting better.

The medical profession, building or aviation all benefit from standardization. If all doctors treat a certain condition in the same way because that is what they were taught when studying medicine, there's no problem. For a day trader or a poker player, there starts to be a tangible benefit to deviating from what is standard, depending on how widespread a particular strategy becomes.

A lot of recent training videos are pointing at ways to exploit standard lines. But, we're back to that paradox again. If a training video is universally well received by a large group of people in your games, there is little benefit to watching (and to some extent, producing). I believe there is still a benefit to watching videos, but I'm thinking of the logical extreme.

What if, in that time gap between the biggest winning players innovating by taking a new line and one of them committing it to video, you were able to work this out for yourself? or between your group of friends?

We're nowhere near the point where new information in poker is exploited with 100% efficiency at the tables, whereas I imagine this to be closer to the truth in the stock market. But the closer training videos take us to that point, the less value they have. the less incentive to produce cutting edge content etc.

Agreed. At this point, I'm just not sure how high up the agenda poker videos should be in getting to expert level. I've played holdem for years and omaha for just months. holdem videos look very samey and PLO videos look pretty exciting to my fresh eyes.

I've also noticed a lot of sites making videos about the "soft skills" required like tilt, planning and preparation. This makes sense to me as it puts the onus back on the player to improve themselves and it puts some distance between the instructors and that perfect information paradox (that I keep banging on about, but didn't set out to).

Yeah, I think I'm arguing for hard work, despite being lazy myself at times. As for personal coaching, I think its a little bit "wild west" at the moment. Maybe that's a different debate.

Ok so, is there any training site that has transcripts of videos available? . i would prefer to read a transcript of theory video if possible over watching it as it would save me time as i read transcripts instead of listening podcasts/watching videos all the time. obviously this is not applicable to live play videos as transcript would be useless in that case

cardrunners or dueces cracked!!!????
10nl/25nl 6max

thx guys!!

flip a coin

Can anyone give me some help Im new to this forum stuff so if I sound a little stupid do hate on me LOL. I've been playing online poker for about 5 years now with a few wins here and there but nothing that big, on im trying to make a living out of this so I figure Id come on here for some advice can anyone give me a little help by pointing me in the right direction?

Whats up can anyone point me in the right direction of a really good poker training site for MTT and 6MAX sng's

Can someone please point me in the direction of a good poker training site?

If u're going to play tons of cashgame I think deucescracked.com is probably the best for u. i've registered 4 months ago and i think it's the best coaching website for cashgameplayers. they have good videos for starters(like the plo video series with vanessa selbst and whitlime, which i think is awesome), but also tons of videos for mid- and highstakes players.

For tournaments i think cardrunners is little bit better but i'm not sure cause i don't watch so many tournament vids, but they also have tons of cash vids.

just my opinion so wait for some other posts before u make a decision

it landed heads so what now?

both sites have free trials so try them both for free? i dunno gl

I'm a member of both dc and cr so can u give some advice about nl.

For a beginner playing 6max I think inavacuum (deuces) is a much better instructor than verneer at cr for those trying to learn and apply the basics.
HOWEVER inavacuum hasnt made that many videos whereas there are far more at cardrunners.

For HU, cr doesnt have a particularly good beginners series, and dc have lots (prinnyraiding 1 and, dogisheadsup eg.).

Jackal is a good sng instructor at cr.

Fsxelduck is a good ssnl mtt instructor at dc.

The best video series of the 2 sites is ssnl disease by terp at dc. If you can understand that, you'll be able to beat 1/2 online.

Cardrunners has a very good support service so if you suggest a topic for a video which they lack there is good chance it may get made in the next couple of months whereas deuces has a more structured approached to vids, and theirs are planned months in advance so are unlikely to make a vid on a certain topic unless it fits into their series' structure.

A lot of the dc instructors arent big winners at poker anymore. They can still be v good coaches but they are not playing a great deal anymore. Cr has 2 of the biggest winners of all time at 25nl and 200nl (mdorand and jballer), as well as archive vids by Brian Townsend whose still playing the highest stakes available online.

Pro's and con's to each site. Hope this helps.