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Old 12-03-2009, 01:46 PM   #76
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Does Leggo's DRM still not allow you to watch videos once your subscription ends? I know CRs DRM lets you watch past subscription expiration date (but obviously not DL anything new), and was always kinda put off that Leggo's didn't (really liked the actual content Leggo put out tho, but haven't been a member for a while, considering whether to re-sign or not).
All DRM prevents the same thing. You can watch your videos only for a certain period of time. As far as I know, Leggo DRM is the same as CR DRM. Both allow you to watch until your subscription ends or for 14 days before you need to re-enter your information to renew the DRM license. If it's DRM your worried about, I wouldn't worry too much as the content is great and well worth it.
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Old 12-03-2009, 03:21 PM   #77
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Its quite obvious that Cardrunners are pumping alot of money into marketing and buying No.1 Spot on poker training review sites.

IMO, it shows a clear conflict of interests on the review sites part. Sure, you can say that they are feature/spotlight sites. But, these sight are used for reviews. You can say xxx is the best site, but you have to wade through the promotional banners etc....
Clearly shows (their) profitability is > responsibility, IMO of course.
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Old 12-03-2009, 03:25 PM   #78
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I dunno. I could be wrong, and I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying this, but I just checked out the $6 Turbo SnG "Free Sample" video by "inissint" on there. He may be a sick high stakes player (Sharkscope is wierd, looks like both sides of Mount Everest).

But he lost more than 1/2 his stack in the 1st 5 or so hands that he shouldn't have invested any money in imo.

If that video is the one they hand selected to represent their site, I'll pass.
I haven't seen this particular video but I can assure you that the Bax/Sheets videos are terrific. I have seen a few by "Inissint" and they were pretty solid as well. I wouldn't let one rotten apple ruin your experience in this case.
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Old 12-03-2009, 03:29 PM   #79
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Re: * Official Training Site Discussion Thread *

With all these accusations can anyone site anything in their REVIEWS where something appears drastically wrong? Everyone seems to make a big deal about a site having banners etc but I believe the reviews are pretty much right on. No seems to make an issue with all the banners here on 2+2 or the fact they charge like $40K+ to have a subforum etc. Business is business but I honestly don't see where it's affected their reviews of the sites & no one has actually quoted a review where something appears inconsistent. It's not like as if their are UB or anything & are ripping people off.
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Old 12-03-2009, 03:51 PM   #80
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With all these accusations can anyone site anything in their REVIEWS where something appears drastically wrong? Everyone seems to make a big deal about a site having banners etc but I believe the reviews are pretty much right on. No seems to make an issue with all the banners here on 2+2 or the fact they charge like $40K+ to have a subforum etc. Business is business but I honestly don't see where it's affected their reviews of the sites & no one has actually quoted a review where something appears inconsistent. It's not like as if their are UB or anything & are ripping people off.
I've posted several examples ITT where I think money is getting in the way of them making impartial judgments, insofar as not mentioning true negatives and having ridiculous over the top positive conclusions (I mean, HUSNG.com is my personal favorite of the sites, but "a must-have for everybody who is serious about HUSNG"? C'mon). I've also posted about a clear blurring of what is advertisement and what is the site's impartial rankings.

The comparison to 2+2 is ridiculous. 2+2 does not have any position on any of these sites. That's the whole point of the review guides, and that's the problem. DUCY?
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Old 12-03-2009, 03:55 PM   #81
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I don't know if the HU SNG example is a good one. I think that's up for debate. I don't play HU SNG's much but if I DID why would I not join a site that's exclusively for HU SNG's? I do play SNG's quite a bit so it's appropriate , I feel/think, to join a site that's exclusively for SNG's such as SitNGoGrinders. I don't think it's going to far when they have guys like Primordial etc coaching there to say it's an outlandish over the top statement.
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Old 12-03-2009, 04:13 PM   #82
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Again, HUSNG.com rocks. But it's not right for everyone. I don't have a subscription even though I am obv serious about husng and think the world of Primo and their coaches. The mentality that if you play a game, a training site that has to do with the game is a must-have, as echoed so often in PTG's reviews:

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a must buy if you are serious about improving your tournament game.
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so give it a shot
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Great deal for a must have program.
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If you join [site] you will probably end up learning and crushing a new game because the instruction is so good.
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puff puff puff puff over the top over the top over the top. And when you think about how making these kind of reviews affects the site, it's not at all hard to put two and two together.

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right now an overall rating is inconclusive.
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Old 12-03-2009, 04:39 PM   #83
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With all these accusations can anyone site anything in our REVIEWS where something appears drastically wrong? Everyone seems to make a big deal about a site having banners etc but I believe the reviews are pretty much right on. No seems to make an issue with all the banners here on 2+2 or the fact they charge like $40K+ to have a subforum etc. Business is business but I honestly don't see where it's affected our reviews of the sites & no one has actually quoted a review where something appears inconsistent. It's not like as if we are UB or anything & are ripping people off.
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You seem to have a serious love for what is a simple review site. You have maintained this love/crush/hard-on in the old poker training site discussion thread where you posted the link numerous times telling people to check it out. Seriously, I dont post here much and am generally a lurker but I'm sick of this guy acting as a shill, and now watch him defend to the dead for this site that he is 'not affiliated with'.

Also, Its obvious their site is not giving impartial reviews, and any one trying to argue otherwise is either a stakeholder in the site or a level.
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Old 12-03-2009, 04:49 PM   #84
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You seem to have a serious love for what is a simple review site. You have maintained this love/crush/hard-on in the old poker training site discussion thread where you posted the link numerous times telling people to check it out. Seriously, I dont post here much and am generally a lurker but I'm sick of this guy acting as a shill, and now watch him defend to the dead for this site that he is 'not affiliated with'.

Also, Its obvious their site is not giving impartial reviews, and any one trying to argue otherwise is either a stakeholder in the site or a level.
Seems just about every other post here is some comparison of who is better be it durrrr better than Isuldur etc it doesn't appear any different here. I use the site, just as I am a DC member & use their site & recommend them because I believe it's a good site. Once again you state "it's OBVIOUS their site is not giving impartial reviews" you don't site any quotes from a review, just that it's "obvious". Gimme a break. You don't like the site or whatever fine that's you opinion & your entitled. I subscribe to many sites & bounce around depending on what I'm curious about etc & I use them as I think they are fair so that makes me a shill? Gimme a ****ing break. I'm surprised no one has stated I'm a DC "shill" or affiliated with DC in any just because I "defend to the death". **** I should open my own site just to spite your dumb a$$.
I wonder if I would be accused of being a coach or a shill because I think Glitlr is the best $16 SNG coach around. Give it a break man.

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Old 12-03-2009, 04:53 PM   #85
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I don't think Pancho is a shill. He's passionate about what he likes and has been that way as long as I've seen him on the boards. This is coming from someone who owns a training site that he is NOT passionate about, so TIFWIW.

Cut him a break, IMO.
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Old 12-03-2009, 04:53 PM   #86
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Old 12-03-2009, 04:56 PM   #87
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I don't think Pancho is a shill. He's passionate about what he likes and has been that way as long as I've seen him on the boards. This is coming from someone who owns a training site that he is NOT passionate about, so TIFWIW.

Cut him a break, IMO.
Thanks Taylor, especially considering I DON't belong to your site.
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Old 12-03-2009, 05:02 PM   #88
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yeah, Pancho is just a user who thinks highly of a product, those users are certainly welcome to discuss and chime in their opinion when appropriate. i've talked with him and there's no reason to believe he's a paid shill or anything like that.
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Old 12-03-2009, 05:19 PM   #89
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All DRM prevents the same thing. You can watch your videos only for a certain period of time. As far as I know, Leggo DRM is the same as CR DRM. Both allow you to watch until your subscription ends or for 14 days before you need to re-enter your information to renew the DRM license. If it's DRM your worried about, I wouldn't worry too much as the content is great and well worth it.
Then it must be a bug, because I haven't been a CR member for over a year but I can still watch my old CR videos.

Maybe I shouldn't have said anything about this...
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Old 12-03-2009, 05:58 PM   #90
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Hey guys what site you think is the best for 6-max sitngoes?(best coaching videos)
Float the turn ..sitngogrinders or whatever?
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Old 12-03-2009, 06:06 PM   #91
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So I joined DC last night

I have been watching the "S&G micro stakes grinder" series from Vandweller and maybe it's just me but his strategy seems ULTRA nitty. I'm used to playing super aggressive small ball, but when I play the kind of game these videos suggest, I find myself always ending up in a race with 10 BBs and 5 people left at the table...

Am I missing something?
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Old 12-03-2009, 06:31 PM   #92
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you should message him and ask him, imo
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Old 12-03-2009, 06:48 PM   #93
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I have been watching the "S&G micro stakes grinder" series from Vandweller and maybe it's just me but his strategy seems ULTRA nitty. I'm used to playing super aggressive small ball, but when I play the kind of game these videos suggest, I find myself always ending up in a race with 10 BBs and 5 people left at the table...

Am I missing something?
What site do you play?
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Old 12-03-2009, 06:51 PM   #94
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I have been watching the "S&G micro stakes grinder" series from Vandweller and maybe it's just me but his strategy seems ULTRA nitty.
You have to remember the context.

I was taking a player who was totally clueless (all respect to veloblank), as evidenced by the hands we went over in Episode 2. He was making all kinds of spew mistakes, both passive and aggressive. My goal was to turn him into a winning player as quickly as possible, taking into account his lack of experience. Getting him to play a very basic ULTRA nitty game was the fastest and easiest way to get him to stop spewing and I daresay that's the case for the majority of n00bs.

Several times throughout the series (if I remember correctly) I point out that we might play such and such hand a different way if we had more experience or better hand-reading skills, but since he didn't, we are taking a more conservative line to keep him out of trouble.

Once you get a very basic tight-aggressive strategy down pat, you can then through in some extra hands and plays, but there's no way that a n00b like veloblank was prepared for that given his history.

Whatever you think of that approach, I receive emails and PMs more or less daily that pretty much say the same thing: "I was a clueless n00b bleeding money, then I watched your series and am actually winning money."

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Old 12-03-2009, 07:03 PM   #95
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You have to remember the context.

I was taking a player who was totally clueless (all respect to veloblank), as evidenced by the hands we went over in Episode 2. He was making all kinds of spew mistakes, both passive and aggressive. My goal was to turn him into a winning player as quickly as possible, taking into account his lack of experience. Getting him to play a very basic ULTRA nitty game was the fastest and easiest way to get him to stop spewing and I daresay that's the case for the majority of n00bs.

Several times throughout the series (if I remember correctly) I point out that we might play such and such hand a different way if we had more experience or better hand-reading skills, but since he didn't, we are taking a more conservative line to keep him out of trouble.

Once you get a very basic tight-aggressive strategy down pat, you can then through in some extra hands and plays, but there's no way that a n00b like veloblank was prepared for that given his history.

Whatever you think of that approach, I receive emails and PMs more or less daily that pretty much say the same thing: "I was a clueless n00b bleeding money, then I watched your series and am actually winning money."



Welcome to SNGs.
I understand, I guess I just underestimated how new he was to the game...
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Old 12-03-2009, 07:04 PM   #96
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You have to remember the context.

I was taking a player who was totally clueless (all respect to veloblank), as evidenced by the hands we went over in Episode 2. He was making all kinds of spew mistakes, both passive and aggressive. My goal was to turn him into a winning player as quickly as possible, taking into account his lack of experience. Getting him to play a very basic ULTRA nitty game was the fastest and easiest way to get him to stop spewing and I daresay that's the case for the majority of n00bs.

Several times throughout the series (if I remember correctly) I point out that we might play such and such hand a different way if we had more experience or better hand-reading skills, but since he didn't, we are taking a more conservative line to keep him out of trouble.

Once you get a very basic tight-aggressive strategy down pat, you can then through in some extra hands and plays, but there's no way that a n00b like veloblank was prepared for that given his history.

Whatever you think of that approach, I receive emails and PMs more or less daily that pretty much say the same thing: "I was a clueless n00b bleeding money, then I watched your series and am actually winning money."



Welcome to SNGs.
Even though I don't play SNG's right now, I loved your series. One of the only ones I've watched every episode of so far...good stuff Mr. Dweller.
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Old 12-03-2009, 07:08 PM   #97
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Re: * Official Training Site Discussion Thread *

Mersenneary, what is this husng review you're talking about? I can't argue about the salesman tone in the reviews, but then again I do feel strongly about training sites being a part of every serious poker player's education.

And if your asking about Pancho Stern, dude asked me for advice on poker training. I gave him my recommendations, and I believe he has been in love with poker training sites ever since.
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Old 12-03-2009, 07:21 PM   #98
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I'm not knocking the guy, I'm just saying I was shocked at how tight the suggested strategy was. But again, I didn't realize how new the student was...
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Old 12-03-2009, 07:25 PM   #99
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The Van owns.....period
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:43 PM   #100
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The HUSNG review was another site, sorry, but those ten summaries that I posted give a good idea of what I consider makes your reviews puff pieces excessively positive to benefit your site. And as this is my opinion, further posts arguing for your site will be deleted unless they're correcting misinformation.
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